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Date:     2024-01-22
Title:    "What do you mean by" #0065 with Brother Trevor Emond - What is The Message
Speaker:  Trevor Emond
Church:   What Do You Mean By
Type:     Church Service
Duration: 1h 39m
Language: English
URL:      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8LpnXYsNYs
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to what do you mean by number 65 where we go through what is the message who is William Brandon why did we need a prophet what's the profit why do we need all this why do we need brother Brown hello everybody what's up brother the Trevor hi Ellie how's it going topic tonight is what is the messages or what is the message hold on I'll let you on just a second for the Trevor I guess what right me pin this comment me wave to everybody let let brother Trevor on second pray and then we'll begin BL grow great Lord everybody's hope everybody's having a great what isday January 20th Saturday accept please work please I'm trying to accept your brother Trevor I'm pressing accept over and over and over again so usually after I press it about thousand times it finally works you know because electronics are dependable and always work the way that they should see here all right I'm G to let it load for a second brother Trevor but try anyway everybody okay it says brother Trevor is unable to join so brother Trevor if you leave the live then come back it'll probably let you uh it'll probably let you come on live with me hello David hello sister welcome to the live sister Alexa hello try this way invited we'll try to get this to work Lord willing hope everybody's having a great day let's see if I can get this to work here hello an Martin welcome to the line trying to get the store brother the Trevor going to join this going to request again here in a second Lord willing it'll all go through but the Trevor knows a a lot more about the message than I do I believe that he's a lot better explaining these things to me he's preached all over the world and should go great Lord willing all right get this to work log line right hello hey brother Trevor hopefully it'll work once you uh request to join again or something like that view accept yes we got it yeah I think I had uh I'm good I think the problem is I had switched over to a text message um in the meantime so I probably got me off of that but maybe he's like yeah old guy hey that's how technology Works no I I I have no idea honestly I have no idea most the most consistent thing with electronics is that they're inconsistent written all over your [Laughter] face you read the message no it's all good I don't know I once once it canceled live because I pressed a button on my keyboard and tried to connect my phone through Bluetooth and it decided it wanted to cancel the live yeah no worries no worries are you ready oh yeah how's everybody doing we're doing great I'm I'm awesome I'm happy finally finally able to get you here yeah we've had to we've had to reschedule a couple of times but you know man cool uh I have a confession to make it's terrible I accident left my Bible at church on Wednesday night um and uh I feel like my right arm is cut off because it's not like I don't have replacement Bibles I have plenty yeah you've got the uh tablets and everything else Yeah well yeah and I so I can't use my phone you know but yeah no I've got like I've got my note-taking Bible I've got my study Bible I've got my toer Bible I've yeah I've got plenty but mine you know like my normal sword like that's the uh um yeah yeah I had a I had signed by Brother BL Paul and Brother Joseph and I don't know where it is I lost it years ago I really find it it's Priceless now yeah you know I I would pay some I I offer my family if they could find it somewhere I'll pay $150 I miss it when I travel um I actually thought my bag I had my Bible and my check luggage and I normally don't do that but I had done that the last time and then that bag got stuck in the thing and I mean I was ready to freak out out because I and and I it was like one leg of the trip it was International and and so it's like and I I pulled my Bible out of that bag and it went in my backpack it's like this this is staying with me if I lost that Bible I would just be I would be quite sick so yeah all right well if you you want to go ahead and pray and then explain to people who you are and then you know we'll get into it if you'd like okay no good sure no worries let's pray um heavenly father we thank you for a time to have this little talk and to try to be a blessing to other young people those who are able to join and be a part um live and on YouTube later and I just pray that you take control of the conversation that you'd um Lord that that everyone who would be able to uh experience this uh would find it to be a blessing and a help to them and would encourage them in their walk um you've given us uh a message uh to draw us closer to you ultimately we thank you for it Lord so uh may we hear it and and see you and have a good time doing it we ask in Jesus name amen amen amen amen okay so uh who I am well I am brother Trevor Eman um I've been um preaching for over 20 years now um I attended the Brenham Tabernacle for many many years I was a Sunday school teacher there uh now I'm at church of the open door in New Albany Indiana where brother Nathan Bryan a good friend of mine is pastor and uh I uh travel quite a bit evangelizing preaching more of a teachy teachy preachy preacher kind of thing yeah whatever you want to call it um but not boring hopefully um I like to try to make things uh real and applicable to our lives and not leave it all in the theory and theology I like to make um I like to take the word of God and and make it where the rubber meets the road so um Mary for 23 years yes 23 will be 24 this year um get married on the zeros helps you know we got married in 2000 so I just have to are we before August or after um anyway so 23 years we've been married and have three children um Zion asiah Gloriana Zion's your age I think somewhere around there Gloriana 17 nazarah 20 so um yeah um have some experience not a ton but some and uh just try to be a blessing so that's that's who I am sweet thanks for being on is that good is that you need anything else you got any questions for that uh I mean I was your you were my counselor for like what how many years running is this like this will be eight this year yeah if you still I'm going bro that's the only I went to consistently I'm not going anywhere else but there if I have to go anywhere but yeah so so the message okay so like you're at a house you're you uh the denominational person and they you know they say well the message what do you mean by the message maybe they heard you say brother Brian like who is that what is the message you know kind of maybe go through I guess or whatever way you want to how you would kind of approach that with them well I mean I think before we start I'd just like to say like I think there's a great need for this um I think there's a lot of young people that um I even just had a conversation with a young man just the other day and he wants me to go through the this very topic with him um because you know it's it's it's like I think we know it we've we've kind of learned it by osmosis sitting in message churches and things like that but just kind of the real importance of it and just diving into it's like hey why does this like it's preached as a uh what we call a priority right like yeah like it can't be challenged it is absolute truth brother brenham's a prophet just accept that and go on don't ever question that it can't it is not questionable you must not um have that is that a Diet Mountain Dew yes it is it's so wrong to drink that in front of me anyway um as I was saying like you know we we kind of like we we it's not like it should be that way but we kind of get into that mode where it's like this is just accepted we quote the prophet and we we treat that just like the word and you know and and and because we're message Believers is what we do we don't often stop to just really dive in and go wait but does this all make sense and I think it's okay to not question in an unbelieving way but to question in a I want to understand it better and I want to know I want to know this for myself and I think that's a valuable thing is not to just say well my parents told me my pastor told me this is what everybody does you know let's just all do it I think it's really good to look at these things from scripture and say hey these do make sense and there is no like there's no reason Reon not to believe this um in a sense as well so U so I think it's a good conversation and I think it's it's kind of needful these days um in the in the generation we're at where so many um just have been born into homes where the parents believe the message and they go to message churches and you know um you know the the the older ones in the church praise God that they're not Pentecostals anymore and how great it's been to Del be delivered from denominations and you know some people are saying I don't like I don't even know like Yay praise God we're delivered out of the denominations woohoo like go us but it's like what does that even mean you know and so I think that there's a there's a need to really dive in and look at those kinds of things so I think it's a good uh important discussion so so yeah how do you wanna so so I guess I'll treat you as my denominational Advocate Den denominational friend you you know you're a Baptist you're a Pentecostal you're something like that um and um and we're we're having a conversation and so yeah I would if you just were to ask me um sure you want me to start with that Hebrews chap with the Hebrews verse or whatever no you just hit you hit me with that whenever okay I just say like when you ask me like hey you know what is it that you guys believe I've noticed your church is a little different you know we're Christians you're Christians but I've noticed there's some differences you know you're your women dressed different and you know all that you guys are you guys are different you heard you're saying about a prophet William Brown or something and the message what what what is that you know aren't we all aren't we all Christians believe in the same thing Jesus died for us and all that yeah I love that Jesus died for us and all that um all that you know christiany stuff yeah you know um David I think you know what I want to just what I want to tell you from from the get-go is like look I'm a Bible believing Christian first and foremost and if it's not in the Bible if it can't be shown to me in the Bible then then I just don't need to be a part of that I want to take everything that the word is saying and I want to you know but I want to make sure we're we're understanding it and applying it correctly um so first and foremost you know I that's who I am I believe Jesus Christ um was fully God fully human you know um I like to say that to all kinds of denominational people because that's a big thing for them because they have these little trigger things and that God Jesus was fully God and fully man I believe that you know um uh I believe that God is is a father is a son is a holy spirit um and so there's a lot of unity that we have already um now you've noticed that we have some differences and I think that's just because there's some places in the Bible that we're looking at uh and seeing um you know maybe a little bit more what I would say is a little bit more light and I don't mean to demean what you have or anything like that but just where we're seeing some things now you would maybe disagree and have different interpretations um right you know so we believe that a woman should have long hair and we get that out of First Corinthians right um that a woman that a woman's hair is given to her for covering and that it shouldn't be cut now you know H H you know we find that right there in First Corinthians so what do you what would you say to that my friend um well those were you know you got to realize brother that those are the customs of those day we really should leave the customs of those day to that day he was just speaking to the whatever church that was and he was not speaking to us oh I sure and so and so here's the thing that I that that we we want to look at so um let's just do one more um let's say um we believe that a woman shouldn't wear pants that a woman should be wearing a skirt and we believe that because it says in the scripture um that a woman should wear a garment that pertains to a man um and these are just two things we could go to to probably many different little things um not just picking on women things but these are the most like glaring examples of differences in our faith right and so so I would say that a woman should wear a skirt because it says in the scripture um that that a woman shouldn't wear a garment pertaining to a man what would you say to that you believe that scripture I assume sure yeah yeah yeah that's that's that's scripture which which scripture is that uh uh isn't that where is that aomy 22 and5 I think I was like it's not Genesis where is that I don't have see my phone that I would do those quick lookups is being on Instagram live right now so didn't that Genesis 22 okay right so you believe that that was just for them at that time and that's different customs and so all I would say is is that we have two we're looking at the same at the same word but we have two different interpretations of that right I mean we we we agree that this is this is scripture is 100% the inspired word of God is aren't we together on that yes right but so I apply it one way you apply it another way right is that kind of what we're seeing here sure yeah right because we do it one way you do it another you know like like but we're both looking at the same scripture and and so then well is one of us right and one of us wrong like is there is there absolutely a truth as to how this is and if there is how do we who gets to choose how do we pick how do I know I'm right and you aren't how do you know you're right and I'm not well it's just you know it's just the way that my church has always taught it is that you know th those things are just for way back when they things were different way back then and now you know everybody wears pants it's it's it's all C their hair it doesn't matter God only looks at my heart or at our hearts anyways this it's just what my church teaches so your church is teaching it one way and my church is teaching it another way right but we're both using the same scriptures yeah right right okay so so so what if I told you however that God knew we would get to this point where multiple churches and and it's like look you and I have differences already that we've pointed out and those those that are just joining us we're we're role playing here just a little bit so David and I don't have that many differences here but so D you know you you we have some differences but if if we are if we were to also look and we were to add others to this conversation they would have different views and different opinions from their different different churches about these subjects and about different ones that we could go to like quite a bit so there'd be all kinds of differences but what if I told you that God knew and told us in the scripture that he knew that there would be a time where people would there would be deception and there would be people who saw things like we're seeing right now we see things very differently with the same words but we see things very differently and God told us he would send us someone to straighten it all out what would you do you he send someone wasn't that well I don't know what do you mean you would send someone well he sent his son you know absolutely he sent his son Jesus and he died for our sins and he came um what scripture talking about I don't know what you're so so as you know because we talk just a little bit like what in your question you said you know what is this Prophet what is this William brandham that you that you talk about so I just like to take you to Malachi chapter 4 and and I'd like you to look at verses five and six um which says behold I send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and Dreadful day of the Lord and he shall turn the hearts of the fathers to the children the heart of the children of their fathers lest I come and smite the Earth with a curse now I'm going to break character here for just a moment because if you like you should have those memorized and it and you should never just memor Malachi 45 because six is why and so we need to understand why God sent a prophet that's why we're having this conversation right why is in verse six it's he shall turn the hearts of the fathers to the children the heart of children to their fathers lest thy Comm and smite the Earth with a curse okay so so what I'm saying here David is that God God said in his word that he would send us Elijah the prophet and and he would turn he would do something he would turn the hearts of the fathers to the children and the children to their fathers lest he come and smite the Earth with a curse and that this would be before the coming of the great and Dreadful day of the Lord so we scripturally should be looking for a prophet to come this does not demote Jesus in any way but this maybe takes care of the problem that you and I have in that both our churches teach something different about the same words maybe we always thought that maybe that scriptures referring to uh you know that's John the Baptist of course and and in in in and in part it was so let's look at um let's look at Matthew 1711 because that's probably what you're referring to Matthew 1711 says Jesus answered and said well let's go to 10 the disciples asked him saying why then does the scribes say that Elias must first come Jesus answered and said unto them Elias truly shall first come and restore all things but I say and Elias has come already and they knew him not so you could say well Jesus said it right there Elias Elias is come right right well but let's let's look at let's look at this in Luke chapter 1 another place that we can look at and just kind of look at this topic uh Luke chapter 1 and verse 16 and 17 and this is the prophecy that's that's going out uh before John is born uh the angel is telling Zacharias um he shall go before him in the spirit of power of Elias and turn the hearts of the fathers to the children but Malachi 45 and6 said the CH fathers to the children and the children to the fathers so you're missing part of that aren't you sure yeah fathers to Children okay yep yep we're together so I'd like to just ask you know what is it that Elias restored and Jesus said Elias truly thou first come and restore all things things so i' just like to ask you has what's been restored if John restored what did he restore how did he fulfill Malachi 45 and six and are you looking for that um I mean this is just Bible we're not we're not doing anything we're not doing anything different here I'm just I'm just looking at scripture right now there's nothing not doing anything weird not being crazy just looking at scripture right so let me ask you let let's let's go to acts I I want you to look at acts uh chapter 3 we look at when restitution actually happens Acts chapter 3 and verse 21 says whom Heaven Must receive until the times of restitution of all things so Jesus is is being resurrected and he's going to be resurrected until the time of the restitution that word restitution is the exact same word that Jesus is using in restore um in Matthew 17:11 where he said Elias truly shall first come and restore all things so you've got to have Elias come and restore before Jesus comes back that's just Bible right there yeah well I think we believe that you know that the uh Malachi 4 and5 is through six is talking about the second coming of Jesus Christ absolutely it is yes I'm I'm so glad we agree that makes things so nice so uh so so all we're saying is that God is that God told us he'd send us a prophet um before the coming of the great and Dreadful day of the Lord and it would be right before the second coming um and and that that Elias would restore things and and we can't say that Elias res like restored the kingdom to Jesus or that it was just merely Jesus um because acts 3:21 says the time of restitution is when Jesus comes back so we've got to have have a Prophet come and restore things that's what Malachi is saying that's what Luke and Matthew and Jesus himself is saying Elias truly shall first come so Jesus isn't you know denigrating his own Ministry by saying well I'm Not Jesus isn't saying look I'm not enough you're gonna have to have Elijah come and then then you're going to have enough that's not what Jesus is saying but Jesus knows the reality of first and second coming but I mean Hebrews 1 And1 says uh God who at sunry times and in diverse manners spake in time pass unto the fathers by the prophets and you know Matthew 11:33 for all the prophets and the law prophesied until John Luke 16-16 the law and the prophets were until John since that time the kingdom of God has preached and every man prth unto it so those prophets were just until John yeah no these are great scriptures and I think Hebrews 1:1 you know the problem is is that when when you're reading that what we're doing is we're we're appending something to it that isn't there it says God in sunre times in a diverse manner spake unto uh in the past spake unto his through His prophets but now he's come into his son and then we append this little thing in there and he stopped speaking but that's not what it says is it that's how we're reading it but is that what it's actually saying is that he stopped speaking after that no he's he's he's not he's not saying he stopped speaking so let's just look at that all the prophets have prophesied until John now we have Jesus we don't need prophets that's kind of the the idea that you're you're presenting here um just let me ask you this like okay so so we so John the Baptist is okay and Jesus is okay is that yeah like but we we don't we but we don't need prophets after that is what saying okay yeah why do you have the book of Revel in your Bible if that's true because that wasn't John the Baptist that was John the Revelator different John well there's maybe maybe there's just no more prophets after John the Revelator we get to add like that to the scripture look if the scripture says that there's no more prophets then there's no more prophets but if we allow that John the John the Revelator can be a prophet then that then there can be prophets after Jesus let's just just to make that point let's look at just a couple of other things Matthew chap 10 and verse 41 this might be a very familiar scripture to many of us and it says he that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward so if Jesus knows that there's no prophets after him why is he telling people that if you receive a prophet in the name of a prophet you'd receive a prophet's reward kind of wouldn't make sense maybe it's just a parable or something okay let's look to Matthew 23 and again I'm not trying to take anything unless it's scripture it's just fine that's all we're trying to do wherefore Jesus says in Matthew 23:34 behold I send unto you prophets and wise men and scribes and some of them you shall kill and crucify and some of them shall you Scourge in your synagogues and persecute them from City to City so Jesus is saying he's gonna I mean that's fine but if you believe that the scripture is 100% the inspired word of God then you have to believe what Jesus himself said in red letters in the Book of Matthew chapter 23 and verse 34 that I will send unto you prophets this wouldn't isn't for them not for us you know just for Jews yeah just for just that was just then that's that's not now you know again we can we can explain things away and I'm not here to convince you but what I am trying to do is show you that all I'm doing is looking at scripture taking what I believe out of scripture so I can't I can't I can't flip a switch but I can say like you you have to admit we we could disagree on that point that you're making I I don't believe Jesus is qualifying that that's Jews or Gentiles or just Jews I don't I don't see that in there and but we could disagree with that and that's fine but all I want to do is show you how how what what I'm trying to do is just show you what I believe and that and that I'm taking it from scripture so you should at least be able to say you know what Trevor you're not crazy like maybe I don't see it maybe my church I'm comfortable there I I love Jesus and I'm fine there but but at least you know but but you can't say like well he's just a heretic or he's just crazy like no I am showing you scripture yeah you can at least admit at that right like we we be fair and honest and we can admit that right yeah okay I'll B so Prophet who are you talking who who who is the prophet exactly let you want to show me more scriptures backing up or whatever but who who is this talking about then what what makes a prophet a prophet how do I know if he's false or if he's true or what well Deuteronomy 18 great question great question when when God is is kind of setting up prophets so to speak in a sense you know mo Moses one of our you know first prophets we could argue about whether there's more before him but but God is setting things up and giving us how how you should judge a prophet and Deuteronomy 18 talks about if a prophet says anything in the name of the Lord and it comes to pass you should hear him but if he speaks and it doesn't come to pass then you shouldn't hear him so we we're looking we're not looking for hidden Mis profits you know this isn't you know Pentecost that has you know 10% right and 90% wrong or anything like that and I'm not saying all Pentecost is like that I'm just saying we can we understand that there's there's been a lot of false right and we don't want false we we we we want it to be true but Deuteronomy 18 is very clear and very explicit that it needs to be it needs to be true it needs to be right what he says has to come to pass and if it doesn't you don't have you don't have to hear now that being said you know Isaiah's prophecy took about 700 years to come to pass so you got to be fair on some things right yeah so so um yeah there you go so that's that's why we're we we we we're we're looking for a prophet to come that's that's all that's that's what I'm that's what I'm saying so far is that Jesus spoke of there being prophets Malachi said there'd be a prophet before the times of restitution Acts chapter 3 tells us that that time of restitution is just before Jesus come comes back in his second coming so that what that says and what that means is is that we're looking for we're looking for a prophet to come just before Jesus comes back now do you believe that Jesus is coming soon I hope hope so yeah amen Amen brother we're agreed so so so what that means then is if taking from these scriptures that we're looking for a prophet to come just before the second coming of Christ that's what that's what I believe the scriptures are say and and then if I could just add to that real quick if I if I just just build a case here just a little bit because what we we were disagreeing on some things and and we weren't you know right you know lock step with one another on some some various biblical doctrines but what but but if we looked in Matthew chapter 24 and we read verse 24 and Jesus is talking about the end times in here and he says for there shall arise false christs and false prophets and shall show great signs and wonders so much as it were possible they should deceive the very elect so in the time of the end we should expect that there are false christs we should expect that there are false prophets if there's false christs and false prophets out there what does that mean that means that there's people who are looking at those things believing they're true prophets believing it's a true Christ that means there's going to be people in the last days who are deceived thinking they're following Christ following a true Prophet but are not that's just plain absolutely what you have to understand from what Jesus said there in Matthew 24:24 does that make sense what what I said right there yeah sure yeah okay yeah sure you're so committed to this let's I want to show you second Thessalonians um chapter two as well second Thessalonians uh chapter 2 vers three and four let no man deceive you at any Me by any means for that they shall not come except there come a falling away first the man of sin be revealed the Son of Perdition so this we understand this is the devil the Son of Perdition who opposes and exalted himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped so that he as God sth in the temple of God showing himself that he is God so we expect then that the devil is impersonating Christianity as best as he can at the last days yeah that's what we're reading out of this scripture so we we expect false Christ false prophets which what we're saying is this is false religion in the Name of Christ there's false and here this that the Devil Himself is trying to say hey I am Christ and worship me instead of Christ so oh wow that's that's kind of a big deal so we expect there to be lots of deception there wouldn't we also want to look at Revelations chapter 20 and verse three nope it's not Revelations 20 and verse three no it is cast him into the bottomless pit this is the devil and Satan found him a Thousand Years cast him into a bottom bottomless pit shut him up set a seal upon him that he should deceive the Nations no more so that that should tell us that the Nations uh there at the end time are going to be deceived generally by the devil right we're not just talking a few people we're talking Nations sure okay yeah want want to look at one more Revelation chapter 3 Revelations chapter 3 now I would have to dive into what we believe is the church ages in order to really bring this point out but I just want you just just go with me that leoty is the last last age and in of that age what we're seeing here in verse 17 behold thou sayest I'm rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing and don't know that thou are wretched miserable poor blind and naked so we could understand that there's going to be a group of people that are deceived nations are going to be deceived bunch of people worshiping a false Christ a false prophet there's a bunch of people worshiping the devil who's sitting in the temple showing himself that he is God there's going to be a bunch of people sitting there thinking I'm good and they don't realize they're naked and miserable and poor and blind and that's right all at the last days a bad picture that's a bad picture man that's a bad picture again coming out of scripture what I'm saying is is at the last days like the disagreement we just had where we say like you see it one way I see it another way could it be that there's deception that God knew was coming and that's the reason that God told us he was going to send us Elijah the prophet before the great and Dreadful day of the Lord be that he would restore all things just before the the the the second coming of Christ what needs to be restored well I think a lot of what needs to be restored is just the general confusion that the devil has injected into the Christian Church throughout since Jesus since Jesus died and rose again because even in Jude it talks about Grievous w entering in I think Paul mentions that you know right you know trying to disturb the faith and things like that well hey the devil's been trying to do that for 2,000 years so there's a true there's a real true meaning scripture means one thing it doesn't just well that's maybe this or that's maybe that like no there's there's one thing it means that God had an idea of what the scripture means and I and all I'm saying is is that I believe that God told us he was going to send us a prophet to come and re and and restore these things so that you and I don't have to be well your church versus my church and well who knows well I mean why is one Church better than another answer it's not but God sending one he said he would send and then if he if he showed us that this one was true we should probably listen to that shouldn't we and that's what I'm saying is that's why I'm saying is we need this Prophet is because the Bible speaks of the conditions of the last age and we could just like how do I know why should should I be be Pentecostal should I be Methodist should I be Baptist should I be Lutheran which which one should I be which one's right right and so so so if you can understand you can follow me there that all I'm saying is the scripture says this would be the condition and that we would have a prophet that would help us out of this condition is that fair am I that's fair am am I CRA am I crazy you know am I just no I'm I'm not this is all this is all very this is all very you know again you can disagree and that's fine you can disagree with you know some of the interpretation or whatever and and not not pushing it on you at all but I'm showing you what I believe and this is why and I believe this is pretty Concrete in scripture and that's why I believe it so firmly so then I could get into you can say well who is this Prophet then why do you think it's him well that's that's another conversation but first off I wanted you to see like scripturally why I needed a message what what I call a message a message from a prophet why did I need it because there was deception because I I had the scriptures and all kinds of people had the scriptures methodists had the scriptures lutherans had the scriptures Baptists had the scriptures we all had the scriptures and yeah we couldn't even make it agree so what is it we even have and we all love Jesus but we can't even agree on what he said so or what to do or all kinds of things so that's a problem and believe God solved that by sending us a prophet so that's that's why I I needed I feel like we needed this and I thank God for it and so um so then I would say well so we believe that God that Prophet that God sent was William brandom okay I'm I'm I'm gonna assume just gonna assume that you would like to know why him I've never heard of this guy who who is he why why this guy so so I I'll I'll I'll just I'll just give you a little brief explanation and and kind of why is and this is the this is the man that God used in the 40s 50s and 60s he spearheaded the the great healing revivals so many men like uh TL Osborne Tommy Hicks AA Allen their Ministries all came came and spun off of his ministry he prayed for thousands of people sick that were sick and they were healed God mightily used him he was there were there were signs and wonders there was there was you know pictures with a pillar of God vindicating what I believe vindicating this man and showing us he also had this gift of discernment that um he could you know tell you what your name was who you were where where you were from what was wrong with you and this wasn't just some gimmick this wasn't just some trick this wasn't just like oh I feel math psychology like oh I feel there's like a headache coming on you know um my pastor lived the same uh my my my former Pastor brother Collins lived at the same time he was investigating brother brandom at one point in time um he tells the story that he was in one of the meetings and there was a couple of ladies sitting in front of him and as the prayer line began to happen um brother brandom uh began to speak to this woman and told her what her name was where she lived what was wrong with her prayed for her and she was healed and the two ladies in front of uh brother Collins said oh he missed it that time we know that lady and that's not where she lives well that piqu his interest so he was like man I got to find out about this because this man said hey this is what the scripture says about a prophet and if I don't say it to you right then you don't believe anything I said and so brother Collins is like okay let me go figure this out let me see what this guy had to say and so he went he found the lady and he said hey I need to ask you these two ladies said you didn't live where he said you live she's like oh I moved three days ago um they they I just hadn't been able to tell them yet so William brandom knew this this lady moved before even her friends did because God showed him so God used him so I could go into other things there was a a time um where he was baptizing in 1933 where a a supernatural event happened and a voice spoke out many people were witnesses to it that said as John the Baptist was sent to forerun the first coming of Christ so would your message be sent to forerun the second coming of Christ now that's pretty interesting because isn't that what we were just talking about like there needed to be a restoration Ministry before the second coming of Christ so that kind of pequs our interest and begins to make us look at this at this man's Ministry and so that's what we've done is we've looked at his ministry we've looked at what he said what he says compares to the scriptures and and so um you know I could go into all kinds of you know evidences and and all of that but but really what ends up coming down to is what do this man actually saying what is he teaching what is he preaching and when we look at what he's saying and we compare it with the scripture it begins to just open our eyes to these things and we go oh this is what it is and so if God then vindicates this man to show us what's you know like I said my church versus your church I my church teaches one way your church teaches another way how do we know what's right but if God sent the man that he said he would send to restore all things and then shows us which man that is kind of Tes the guesswork out of it right kind of takes I don't have to I don't have to worry about it anymore and that's the point that's what we're looking at H and why we're we we we're following this man it's not that we're following this man because you know we you know Jesus wasn't enough Jesus was absolutely enough it was his death his resurrection um that saved us from our sins he poured itself out onto US and the baptism of the Holy Ghost and and it said and and in John 14 he said the spirit um that would lead you lead us and guide us into all truth so that's that's what we're looking for is to be guided into all truth everything the word of God says to understand it correctly and not have this my church versus your church kind of situation and since we believe that God promised that and he delivered that there we go so you're saying he was God or something or what no of course not that's that's what I was just saying yeah I gotta I gotta move I'm being kicked out of my where I'm at that makes sense I mean it's so so no of course we're not saying that he's God Jesus was God what we're saying is is he's is Jesus himself said Elias would first come that's what we're saying it's Elias why did we need Elias to come because you and I have disagreements on what means what in the scriptures and we got to get we got to get that sorted out I mean what Ang do you want do you want to approach it all like people Google William brandham or I'm sorry like um do you want to approach the angle at all like if people Google him they're going to see a bunch of stuff against him in for him oh yeah well hey there's always uh there's always scarecrows around the corn right there's there's going to be people doing saying negative things um about any Ministry um what I would say is instead of looking at all of the stuff people said in the negative is why don't you try to understand what the man himself said there's plenty of resources out there to just see see for yourself you can take my word you can take some guy on some website's word um I know some of those guys like like like one of the Premier YouTube guys I know him personally spend to my house I've had dinner with him we've been to his house had had dinner at their house you know like I know these people like so so um I I you know I would just say look look for yourself why don't you just look at what at what William Brenham himself said and what what he brought and what he was teaching and and and then pray about it and look at the word because that's what that's that's what we're saying so you're saying like you tell people this and you show them all this and then really they just just listen to a tape and you see if there's a predestinated seed there I think it's like is that basically yeah we breaking character now yeah yeah I mean like I it's kind of hard for me to come up on the spot like let me think of an effective argument against this when like it's in the Bible am I gonna like I I can only say that was for another day so much yeah that's why I thought Hebrews 1:1 and and uh and the the the two You Came the until John were are great you know because because if someone knows scripture they're gonna they're going to throw throw those out and I think that's good I think for message you know for for young people though that that have been born and raised like we we should maybe pivot just a little bit and just and just say look this is you know I I we can we can do this in a way that I could explain to you but the the reality is is uh we we know there was a deception right we know we know I mean you know Palmer worm K worm Locus caterpillar that message brother Brenham preaches you know a lot of the message brother brand messages brother Brenham preaches are and this this is where people get a little offended and get a little get a little riled up right it's like H we're saying so much about brother we're not saying anything about Jesus well and and it's like this conversation case in point right are we talking about Jesus we talking about brother Bron man it's like why don't we just I'm just so sick of it like why don't we just like look I get it that's that's that's it's a fair criticism a fair criticism it is but heard from people saying what they would what one person said to me one time was uh oh well the gospels those aren't for us gospels just aren't for us you know what that's what they told me not for us the gospels are for the Jews and not for us um okay yeah that's a new one I I don't even know what to say to that other than God Bless you that's what I said okay like I I I I disagree I think the Bible I like the way he approach like well if we go down the road of this these scriptures are allowed these scriptures aren't allowed where do we stop and who decides that so just that's so that's yeah that's what I'm saying for the young people like look like there's de like the scripture talks about there's going to be deception and there's going and brother Brenham himself talks about so many times like you know as his mom's there dying he's talking to her he's like Mom you know I started out I went to the Catholic church and I they said they were it I went to the Methodist Church they said they I didn't know which one was it so I just I prayed and you know and and so but that's brother ROM's own lifestyle life uh experience is that all these denominations are saying there is believe them which one then yeah but God so there there was deception because because the devil did that right he he he made these denominations and he he's sitting there in the temple of God showing himself that he's his God I'm the Christian church just join me right and and brother renam came along and just destroyed that whole denominational come and join idea and so like as I was saying back to like Palmer one cankerworm Locust caterpillar brother bram's talking about how the devil would come in as it talks about in The Book of Joel and he would and and those as as these different bugs and of course this is symbolic that would eat away the life eat away at the fellowship eat away at the doctrine all these different things but God said I will restore sayeth the Lord and so so brother brandham preaches this message because only brother brandham can come and show us who he is and identify his own Ministry and if we see that he is this Prophet that we talked about in Malachi 4 and we haven't even gotten to Revelations 10 I just didn't go there but Revelations 10:7 like if he is all those things and it can identify who this is then we know the guy to listen to yes Amos 3:7 as well surely the Lord will do nothing except for he reveals it to his servants the prophets so so God will identify who this is and if we can see who that is then we know the guy that says but because he is the Elijah that God said he would send like that guy we can listen to and so we spend a lot of time in our churches establishing the doctrines of this is why William brandham is that guy this is why we believe William brandham is that Elijah and because if you can see that this is that Elijah then everything that Elijah is saying is restoring your faith back to the true Faith before the second coming of Christ so you have to understand that there is great deception false christs all of that and that God would send us that Elijah and then there's going to be like John the Baptist himself they came to him and said who are you who do you say what do you say of your own Ministry and he identified himself from from the book of Isaiah and said I'm the one making straight the way of the Lord um and so John the Baptist himself identifies a lot of people think that William Bram is like oh that's arrogant you know he he he's always talking about who he who he is but there's only a prophet is qualified to say who he himself is like no one's else no one else is qualified to say oh yeah that's the Prophet The Prophet himself has to establish that so the prophet himself looks into the word of God and begins to show us his ministry in the word and so a so a lot of the message is that but that's not the point the point is to establish I'm the guy prophesied to come to restore all things you want to be restored I'm the guy it's not it's not me I didn't choose I didn't study real hard but God made me this guy somebody had to be that guy God was going to make somebody that guy and I'm the guy and here's why and here's how you can show and and now that you can see that now let me show you the things that that that are problems and then we get Doctrine and when Doctrine comes once we've established who that Elijah is to restore things then the doctrine comes and then we get to see serpent seed then we get to see godhead then we get to see water baptism then we get to see no eternal hell then we get to see uh Holy Ghost without sensation you know then we get to see like what all of these things mean and all of these things draw us into a deeper walk with Christ all of these things open the scriptures to us like they've never been opened before and so that's to me it's like that's you you got to have this message if you don't you're stuck and you you well look let's put it this way and let's just be super fair right like you got to have the Elijah to to restore scripturally you got to have the Elijah to restore and we can look around and we can say there's all kinds of ideas and all kinds of churches there's got to be something that's right right yeah I believe that's William Brandon I believe God Vindicated that to be William Brandon and so when William Brandon's speaking about these things I am taking his word for it because I believe that God Vindicated that was the guy that's that's what we're saying in in this message is say God sent the guy so we can listen to him to know what's truth about Jesus not about the guy but you had to establish who the guy was but once you've established that okay this is what the guy said about Jesus because you had to have something to come along and show us because we all had the Bible and we all had a bunch of different interpretations so where do I start S you tell me this is all true can't change everything what do I what do I look up do I what do I look up where what what I listen to whatever well um there's couple of great apps you know this is the you know 20 years ago I would have given you I would have given you a cassette would have given you some CDs and that was nice because I could just give it to you and you could just put it in whatever now it's going to take a little work on your on on on your your part okay so I would ask you then to to look up there's a an app that you can get for your phone both iPhone and Android um you can there's a few different ones um there's one called The Table app it's by voice of God Recordings you can download it and you will have all the sermons of William Braham in your pocket and that's kind of cool I FIP and um then the the other you know there's another one it's called the message Hub you could download that you'll have the Bible and all of William bram's sermons in your pocket um so um and if you're if you're really into into uh searching what he had to say um there's another one I can't remember uh the name of it uh but uh spoken word on iPhones I don't remember it's this it's the theistic search one um the more AI like search anyway um I'm just saying that because I have friends that have done that I haven't heard that one it's a really great app um but um but anyway um but yeah back to character here you know yeah so what either one of those two you know I might recom recommend the one that's called the table um you can hit play on that and you can you can hear the recorded sermon from when he preached it I could send you some sermons that I'd recommend um just his life story is a great place to start which which one that he preached there's one he preached in Los Angeles in 1959 it's really a good one um have a box of tissues handy it's a personal testimony that he tells and it gets it gets real um and then I might I might recommend one titled be certain of God also um um preached in 1959 and you and the searchable you can just type those two things and then if you're ready for some serious Doctrine maybe you're that kind of guy hey there's one called The Serpent seat get ready okay and then uh see are there any videos of this guy at all or anything like that yeah there's uh there's video out there um I think there's a YouTube channel called Believers testimonies out there that has um uh or or you could go to there's a there's a couple of websites the message.com is one that I know that just tries to present what William Brenham was about and not anybody's like actual opinions um there's another one called a living god.com there's a bunch of testimonies of people that have followed the ministry and how God has worked in their lives um but I think Believers testimony on YouTube probably has uh a video that we called 20th century Prophet um and that would be one you could watch um keep in mind this was pretty old so there's not a lot of video out there uh and you might search uh deep colth to the Deep which was a video of brother Brenan preaching um a a sermon entitled deep call to the deep and there's a prayer line and uh it's it's really quite compelling okay interesting I I think [Laughter] so I like that it seems it seems interesting straightforward to the point and it was more simple than I thought honestly it was very straightforward and I I think it was good to uh separate the um like hey as a scripture like you know this is what we believe and maybe you look at it differently but this this is how we look at it you know yeah it's a picture and it says that I couldn't deny it that it said that yeah exactly so that you know and that's why I always go to you know it's like look uh yeah presented I presented Church ages to my coworker one time you know and I was just like look this is you know this is how I believe it this is what it says this is what I believe about it and he's just like okay well that makes a whole lot of sense if that's all if that's all true it certainly I don't know but it makes a whole lot of sense it's like yeah certain certainly does doesn't it you know and he's still at a Methodist Church you know and some some can see and some don't you know some don't want to see it you know and that's fine but here we are you know we're we're sitting here in message churches and it's like well there's no excuse to say well I man I just don't even really understand why okay this are scriptures man like why would like that and that's what you know that's what I would a big thing I would say is just like you know don't be afraid we've had people question the message and leave and then their lives just just go you know and become destroyed um and maybe some of them would watch this and but it's like well you know there's it's it's probably not what you thought it was going to be when when you started questioning the message and you left but I don't but that's but that's that's a lot of times questioning with already preconceived doubts right like yeah I it's not wrong to say hey I don't I don't get this I don't know why I believe this that's not like you don't have to go everyone will shun me because I I don't what like no what's the difference between questioning the message the right way and the wrong way well it's it's are you doing it to understand or are you doing it because you want like you have an agenda already it's like I don't like this I want to go live my life whatever way I want to live like let's just be honest you want to be worldly and you want to find a way to justify yourself like that's different right but if you're just saying like look I want to understand I believe this I've been taught this I have no reason to go anywhere but I just just I I can't I can't sit here and I'm not going to be the guy that's invited by David gersain to do a live on why do we believe the message you know like look not everybody is but but you can you know but you don't have to sit there and go I don't know and I don't want to ask and and reveal to anyone that I don't know there's no reason for to to to sit there and and and to be that way because it's not it's not it doesn't have to come from doubt um the the the scripture talks about you know the angel comes to Zachariah about John the Baptist and zachariah's like my wife's old man any questions right and then and the Angel's like well you're going to be dumb and you can't talk for nine months because you you you you questioned right then then the same Angel comes to Mary three months later and Mary says and says this is how all this is going to Happ this is what's all going to happen to you Mary and Mary says how shall these things be Mary Mary wasn't doubting in her question Mary was saying Mary had already said be it unto me according to the Lord right that was her attitude but she was like so how's this work you know like you've asked a lot and I want to know how it works so I know what I can do right and so I think that's the idea is is it that question is like how wait a second how are these things again how do I know this how can I I believe this is true there's something in my heart that resonates with this but I can't explain it I don't know how I don't know why all the wise there's there's answers for all of that this is again we go back to what we said like this isn't a priority this isn't like fact without something behind it the Bible is that the Bible speaks about a deception coming a need for restoration the Bible speaks about a prophet being sent and so that's why we believe and even look for a message at at all is because the Bible said they would that it would come what would you say to to them if they ask like oh well I looked up William brandom online and I just found a bunch of websites about people say they used to be M Believers and they showed a bunch of reasons why they're not and like it all made sense yeah um so for me what I'm GNA say is is I I know some of those people um and they were they were hurt by maybe other people they were maybe didn't understand things um or I believe that many of them I'm just being fair um didn't really want to believe they wanted to believe and do whatever they wanted to do but say I'm Christian so in order for them to do that they had to attack the thing that exposed that they weren't and so there's a lot of negativity out there um and and and and I'll be honest that there are some there are some churches that have been really really legalistic and really really hard about some of these things now that's not that's not exclusive to following William Bren Ministry yeah there are all kinds of churches that that that has happened but that does not preclude this from being truth yes there's people that are negative about it but all I'm saying is is I've seen this in the scripture I've looked at the man's Ministry and there's a lot of people that can you know say this that or the other but to me when I look at it and I see it in light of scripture I can't unsee it anymore you know godhead makes sense to me now serpent seed like I I I can't understand the scripture without the message anymore like it's just it just makes sense any now I'd have to I'd have to unwire so many things I'd literally have to toss toss out the Book of Revelation that's why I went there earlier on in our discussion like yeah because you now you have no idea what it means like you can have people that have conjecture but if you don't have a prophet that God Vindicated to say this is exactly what the Book of Revelation means you have nothing like you maybe you're close maybe you're not who knows who cares you know my chiropractor said um and he's a Christian man and they were studying in in in their small group men's small group you know he's like I think John just had some bad Pizza had a dream and wrote it all down and it's like that's what the Book of Revelation means to so many Christians right like that's that come on like like let's be honest like the if like you can't say all of scripture is valid and inspired by the word you know and and fully inspired by God like and we believe every word of it but I mean Revelation like that was just John's bad Pizza like you can't say both of those things yeah right it doesn't work and so I I believe God sent us this prophet and he showed us what so much of this is and if there's something that we still don't understand like that's probably to the Jews you know like like there's a reason we don't understand it and I'm not going to sit there and try to figure it out either you know because who am I right um so yeah so so I I think that's what you know I hope the takeaway is is on a on a large degree is is we needed this message um I like I I did this in in in um in Norway at a at a youth me well it was actually at a family camp but um where I I I went through this thing talking about like being delivered from denomination um and and I and I I kind of played it up you know and I took it back to the days as if it was the days of Moses right a couple Generations removed from Moses and how these people you know they're they're great grandchildren right of of Moses's generation right so they were never in Egypt they didn't go through the Wilderness the only thing they know is the promised land and there's but yet their grandparents are going oh my goodness like when God delivered us out of Egypt that was so amazing I'm so thankful that God delivered us out of Egypt and children you should be so thankful God delivered us out of Egypt you know and this one boy looks over at the other boy and says uh do you know where Egypt is like what's he talking about like God delivered us out of Egypt like all I know is the promised land man I don't know I don't know I don't know where Egypt is I don't know what what is slavery what what are task Masters I don't know I've never been part of that and I think part of that is a a disconnect that maybe young people grow raised in the message um have uh you know are are are kind of part of because like well if you've never even been to a denominational Church you know and some 70-year-old Brothers like thanking God to be delivered from Pentecost and rightly so he was just stuck in you know in in in misunderstanding and it was and it was very negatively impacting him and so let me give you an example of that so um I was talking to a United Pentecostal um pastor and United Pentecost is a do is is doctrinally as close about as close as you can get to the message I don't know of anything really much closer they usually our Holiness they baptize in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ but they believe a couple of things differently they believe if you speak in tongues you have the Holy Spirit and that you can lose the Holy Spirit if you go out in sin and you got to come back to the altar pray and speak in tongues again to have the Holy Spirit now this can yeah and the reason why is because they believe that Jesus always existed that Jesus is God and God alone and when I say that I mean that in the sense of like there's no created son there's there's no created son it's just Jesus right so if it's just Jesus then what is the Holy Ghost right then then Jesus isn't inside of you because it's just Jesus right God is just Jesus and the Holy Ghost is just like how God is powerful how God does things in his chur church right but it's not the presence of God himself on the inside of you which is not what Jesus said in John 14 and 15:16 you know I I will come unto you the comforter will come I will come to you right so so but but so I'm talking to this United Pentecostal pastor and he's like oh man we were Oneness man we had to be at the altar every single service and I was like whoa hang on like why do you tribute going to the altar every service with your understanding of godhead and it threw me and I had to I had to go and ask another a brother actually in our church brother Hoover who used to be United Pentecostal and he was like oh yeah that it's because they believe Jesus always existed and and that God is only Jesus and I was like oh okay makes sense now because now the Holy Spirit isn't some isn't the indwelling presence of almighty God in your life right so they're they're so close but yet because they don't see godhead the same with the Revelation that we do because God sent a prophet to restore the truth to us thank God we we can understand that when we receive the Holy Spirit we have Jesus God himself his life that seed is literally on the inside of us and and and and has changed us so we don't have to be like freaking out like oh I did something wrong I've got to go back to the Altar and speak in tongues again and I sure hope Jesus doesn't come back um between now and when I can get back to the alt like there's a fear that you would live under and it's because of the false Doctrine but that's the point of this message is is because God didn't want us to live in that fear he didn't want us to live in that I don't know I don't get it uh I just want to be right right like he's like okay but I sent you a prophet I sent you William branam to restore the truth to you and when it does restore the truth to you it's not toxic it's healthy it draws you closer to Jesus it helps you understand who God is it's about Jesus that's the whole point and when it and when that restoration shows us Jesus Jesus in a in a greater light it is so much better than than what you'll find any in in any any other Church circles and I say that Loosely because I'm not saying that you know like this is the better Church Circle no it's because has God God restored through this man so to me that's why we need this message right like that's case in point it's like yeah okay this message came because of everything we said and now I see this Doctrine better and when I see this Doctrine better I know Christ more at a deeper level and I'm not freaking out because I know who he is um and I can do that with serpent seed I can do that with I mean no eternal hell I I can I can take all these message doctrines and take you right back to it's about a relationship with Jesus and being closer to Jesus so none of the doctrines of this message and unfortunately we've had people that are you know chop it divide it hacking into pieces just like he said talked about in the church age book but that's again we're not supposed to do that right it's it's about getting getting into the word and knowing him and and so unfortunately we've had a lot of people that have come and you know I'm better because my doctorine this and you're better you're not better blah blah blah and we fought and and over some of these doctrines instead of like just diving into Jesus Christ and I think there's there's a reason for that obviously we're passionate about every word God wants us to be be passionate about every word but and then we we sometimes get bad about our idea of every word instead of just every word so I mean that's why he said that they should be so careful to say only what the prophet was saying yeah that's right that's right that's tough and I guess they made it more about every Doctrine more about just the arguments and semantics of this certain way of saying it versus that certain way instead of actually like no there's a reason why we believe that there was a create created son his name was Jesus and he's not uh another person will say hi Jesus nice talking to you where's the father but he was a kinsman redeemer that's that's of course a revelation and a mystery but it's not God became a son and he was his own father it's like no there was this created being and there's a created son otherwise he couldn't die you know if he was created there was a body that was created in 4 BC or whatever date you decide for the birth of Jesus that wasn't there at the foundation of the world that Soul and Spirit brother said you know right right so so you know and and that was but that was God's body we're saved by the blood of God that this was God's expression fleshly expression that he's that he stepped into so yeah and so yeah I mean we could yeah sure we you know we could go and geek out about doc do godhead Doctrine and things like that and and then we could be those people that is like see yeah we're right because uh you know and then the message is about our rightness on Doctrine no that's not what it's about but we're passionate about being right on Doctrine because it shows us Christ exactly that's the idea right and and and we have Doctrine from the guy who came to restore that God Vindicated and promised he would show us so that's the whole chain of all of it of what this whole message is about is that God knew the Grievious wolves were going to come in deceive the church and then we're going to be here at the end going what's right and God said no problem I will restore saith the Lord out of Joel I'll send you in the days of the voice of the seventh angel he shall when he shall begin to sound the Mysteries shall be finished there's no mystery anymore as brother B said we now have by God's grace the perfect interpretation of the word of God with Divine Vindication God proved William Brown R him by signs and wonders by the pillar of Fire by the cloud by all of these things proved that he was the Elijah to come and so now we just say okay if that's the guy he's the one supposed to restore let me hear what he has to say because the restoration is a spiritual restoration of our souls and of our hearts and it and and that's what we're looking for because it brings us back to the true word of God and the true truly revealed word of God and not only is it revealed but it's manifested I mean like if all of that is true that we've talked about then Malachi 45 and6 has literally physically been manifested then Revelation 107 that that prise that John wrote in in on the aisle of patmas has been physically fulfilled and manifested on the earth like it's not a prophecy to come anymore it's done happened just like it it's it's it's the same thing as Isaiah saying you know unto us a son is given given well in 4 BC that was manifested in flesh and now the same thing for Malachi 45 and6 for for Revelations 107 that it's manifest it's fulfilled it's not a prophecy that is to come yet it is happened and it is here and so we're just living in Bible times and that's just so that's super exciting isn't it I mean it is yeah you know so that's that that's to me that's the message it's not to argue about you know the the intricacies of or or or just you know to to say well I believe brother brandham more than you believe brother brandham it's like really like like he he was prophesied to come he came he did what he said what God said he was going to do and we are benefit because of it this we can now grow closer to Christ because of what he sent us so we take the Bible and we take the re Revelation that we are given by this messenger who has come to restore all things and did and now we see it plainly and when we see it plainly man we fall in love with Jesus all over again it's just amazing it's the most amazing thing ever like right it is true it is it's just truth it is just truth I I sorry I'm having a moment right I mean I am just I'm ready to like I I I can't tell you I believe this with all of my heart it is so real and so living to me I'm super passionate about it um because it's TR it's truth it's living reality truth that's right nothing but the truth any questions from the audience yeah guys anything really bring bring it our way whatever questions you guys have also uh I gotta catch up on posting all the videos from my live say number 65 by the way that's a lot man yeah doing our best brother the Jack Duff is Gonna Come on pretty soon is he that's great yeah he and I are good friends yeah pretty neat he he likes that I don't that I said ask your pastor people ask me about interracial marriage like you say ask your pastor thank you yeah yes thank you for not making things worse yeah yeah I think it was great it's just like it's a are they willing to listen to it on the Olivia clean off topic but curious about your take on cancel culture that occurs within the message no no that's sh on like the message outside the message people that don't no no no I think she really means within the message and and and it's because it's because if you don't see the message the way I see the message then you're out I is that what you're saying Olivia like I think that you know or or you know we don't want to listen to you because yeah you know you're flavor it's a it's a it's a thing my dad has me do where like you know say oh people in the message or this like no it's around the message you know they identify with the message but they're not doing the message corre well yeah right because and and and that's another thing that really is very off-putting for for young people is um is and and we talked about it one the last time um is me is message culture yeah right is the the message message culture people around the message um someone easily gets offended and holds a grudge instead of forgiving and covering in love amen okay yeah we'll talk about all this so I think you know um you know there's a message culture there's a 's a kind of a culture around the message and that's the but that's the pro that's one of the problems right but that's nature like that's just people being people right but the message itself is instructing us and one of the reasons we need this message is because it's the only thing it's the only thing saying like hey no it's not about your group it's not your group is better actually if you're starting to say I'm of this group and you're of that group you're just as bad as all these other denominations and you're headed towards death and so um so we got to be very very careful of that um so I think yeah like like a lot of times what has what we've seen you know is definitely we've had do doctrinal differences and so um and like I said we're we're very passionate about every word right I mean if anybody's passionate about every word message Believers are passionate it's got to be every word because the prophet is you know has told us that so many times the problem is we got to distinguish between every word and our ideas we got to have Grace you know like look at how Jesus handled situations you know like the the ones he was the worst with like the the ones Jesus was like smacking around the most were those that were like dogmatic about how they saw something rather than those that were exhibiting the truth of love hope Mercy goodness gentleness patience like these are the things that Jesus Christ he came in and and showed how all of the things in the Old Testament were actually just talking about that and it just you know that people were like whoa never heard this before this is crazy and I love it right and so so why are we trying to be different about that why aren't we having compassion love Mercy Grace patience for for for for others like why aren't we doing that with our within our own ranks why aren't we doing that Within you know others that that that believe you know very very similar to us that both that that believe William Brown as a prophet and restored things and it's like if you see something different a little bit different than me like can I have Grace for that and then even within our own youth groups you know know youth are going to be youth people are going to be people and we can't get away from that but if this if this is anything like it's God's love being extended to us and and why wouldn't we extend that love and that Grace to others you know we get so easily offended and that's a that's a culture not hopefully not too much of a message culture I think it creeps in quite a bit but culture around us is is going towards this like well we could just talk about all the buzzword of intersectionality and all of that but it's it's it's like you're canceling people because they don't agree with you on every little minutia detail and if we're not the same then we're not in the same boat hey we're all in the same boat we we want we need the grace of Jesus Christ we need this message to show us the truth and so I think we should have a lot more Grace with one another I'm not saying that there shouldn't be lines I myself draw a line at polygamy that's that's doctrinally farther than I'm willing to extend Grace towards I I'd love to extend Grace that you can come out of that but I can't say like hey yeah we just believe the message he just sees it a little different no no no no it's that's a big issue like no no yeah so let's look at this you know so there's lines but there's you know but we but but but where are those at you know and are we drawing them so close and just cutting people out and then that's not the that's not like that's obviously not the spirit of Christ that we should have if we have the Holy Spirit so how would you explain or show someone that brother brandham was Vindicated well Josh um like I like I don't know if you were here two two hours ago an hour and a half ago but first going to take everybody through just showing why we need a prophet um and bring through all those scriptures that we we discussed earlier so that so that there's just a so it's like look you need to at least understand and agree with me that God said he was sending a prophet and that he would then I would take them through um the signs that that brother Brandon was given um and and some of the things that God God used to show brother brandom himself and so uh that he was the Vindicated Prophet so look at this and think of this as Moses right Moses doesn't know he like Moses was told he's the deliverer and then Moses kills one Egyptian he fails and he's like yep that's over I'm done not going to be a thing not going to be me and he's out in a Wilderness and then he sees the burning bush he goes up to the top of Mount Si God speaks to him and then God gives him signs to show Moses himself this is who you are and so God speaks to him and then God shows him you know put your hand in your bosom and bring it out it's leprosy put it back bring it out it's not throw the stick down it becomes a snake pick it back up it's not a snake anymore right okay and then also um you have Moses afterwards you have Moses bringing the people out going back up to Mount Si coming back down after God giving him the The Ten Commandments and his face is visibly changed his face is visibly shining like there's so so God is vindicating like I'm putting myself with this man um and a lot of that's Pillar of Fire um but but I want like I say all that to say like look this is how it was done to Moses and then Moses goes and he shows the children of Israel and he goes and shows pharaoh and and this is these are the things that God gave him it's they go Moses was given two signs and if they wouldn't listen to the sign then these judgments would happen and then the river was turned to blood and things like that right so brother brandham was given two signs so first I'm going to start with the river because we've established scripturally you need you know we we needed a prophet right then then I'm going to go to like okay if I can get you to at least follow me on that now I'm going to show you why I believe it's brother Brenham in 1933 he's baptizing um on in the Ohio River just at the foot of Spring Street in Jeffersonville and as he's baptizing a pillar of fire comes down people see this Whirlwind people see people hear this voice saying as John the Baptist was sent to forrun the first coming of Christ so would your ministry become be sent to to forrun the second coming of CHR Christ so that's what we get from his own testimony and why he is saying like Moses was saying I'm the deliverer because this right this is what God Said right so this is the same thing William brandom is doing I'm I'm this because this and then the angel comes to him and he says I'm going to give you these two signs and you'd have the sign in the hand and then you'd have the discernment and so just like Moses was given two signs William Brand's given two signs so the the sign in the hand he was able to in in the early healing me meetings that he would have he could take someone by their hand and what he would see on the back of their hand he would you know he would take their hand like this and then he'd look and he'd be able to see bumps or different things I don't know what it was I wasn't there but he could see what their disease was and he learned what he could see on the back of their hand and what those things meant and so that was a that was a a discernment of sorts that that God gave brother Brenham that's what the angel told him he'll be able to take him by the hand and he'll be able to do that so we call that the sign in the hand and and that was wrong that was never wrong then he the angel told him then you would come to a place where You' know the secrets of their heart um and so he got to a he he in Regina he had the change in his ministry and he began to discern people's hearts he began to tell them who they who they were what was wrong with them where they were from what the doctor saw on the chart various different things and he was never wrong he could deser what was in their heart he got to a place where he could discern what they were thinking all of these things right so those are the two signs that brother Brenham was given then we can go to the pillar of fire picture and we can talk about that um in Houston Texas and I think it was 1950 right I should know that better uh anyway that you know the you know the pillar of fire picture that's the one we're talking about um in Houston Texas and you could tell them that story and all of that um of course you'd have to know that story if you don't know that story you should search Houston Texas Dr best and you'll find that story because um um because that's how you'll find that story there you go just to be quick you know and then um and and I and then and then you could get if and if and if you want to keep going you could go to the cloud and you could go to 1962 and brother brandham talked about the the cloud coming and and then the picture of the cloud and that being there with brother brandham and that being Revelations 101 and 107 and you could go to all of those things you just say look I'm just I'm just showing you a pattern here you can take it or leave it but to me it begins to show me this is the guy that there's some there's something here you know and I like how brother Daniel Andes puts it you know one prayer in South Africa and seven truckloads of cops and stretchers and and Wheelchairs and and and uh uh crutches seven truckloads from one prayer taken away from a meeting where where else are you seeing that so God is showing us something here so then begin to look at what he said and if what he said opens the scriptures to you and shows you Jesus Christ in a way you've never seen maybe maybe you got something to listen to right there and that's that's just kind of how I would I would take that that's right do you know what are some really good tapes what are some tapes with really good uh prayer lines or is there a whole string of them somewhere man there's a lot I mean man there's just so many pray Lings obviously the earlier ones have more have more prayer lines um like you if you're PR lines you know late later 50s would probably be good ones you know um that there's just a lot uh that's that's a that's a pretty broad question I'd have to I don't know that I have a favorite prayer line tape um uh look you know at the unan 59 is really good oh oh yeah that's the best one okay never never mind that's the best burline tape because that's the one where um I the Lord Brother Brenham has nothing to do do with this I am using his voice that's me I'm the Lord yeah that's pretty powerful yeah I'll listen to the audio that before I preach sometimes if I'm feeling like distraught or something like that oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's that's a good one well yeah so that's that's a good pray line tape so um like I said I think if I'm if I'm witnessing to someone I'm gonna I mean I'm just gonna start with life story yeah you know um or marriage and divorce you know it's it's a toss coin toss you know depends on who you're listening two that's a smaller fraction of people that I'm going to recommend that one first generally I'm going to recommend live definitely yeah you know sure there's some good ones but um I mean I'm gon to get people towards towards that you know and then when they're ready for Doctrine then I would say that the the serpent seed baptism of the Holy Ghost um why are we're not a denomination I think are the three tapes in the same weekend or real close to one another those are the three that I would say Hey listen to these they they're earlier they're like 1959 I think and they go through a lot of those doctrines um that he calls some doctrines of the church and and I think those are the ones I I would I would just I'd begin to do that if if they once they're okay I really want to know more I really want to know what this is about like those are the three I'd start I'd start with you know and if and if you don't know the doctrine of the church The Message Church as it is maybe those are three tapes that you would want to listen to as well uh I think it's um I think every single young person really needs to um be listening to tapes on on their own at in their own time make making an effort to to know these things uh conversations like this are great certainly not a replacement hopefully all this does is kind of wet your appetite text go okay I need to know more about that you know the only reason the only reason I can talk about this like off the you know I mean I can you know I have I had some notes when we started with scriptures written down um um but the only reason I can do that is because I've just I've just listened to T I've just listened to tapes after tapes after tapes and and and i' I've been in it so yeah that's right I I uh what was the word um you someone ask like oh should we listen to tapes in church or at home or the car like just listen to tapes just listen to tapes I don't care where you do it just listen to tapes yeah yeah so I think listen to them everywhere I think like I said last time you know it's like if we um if all we ever do is listen to our preacher um who quote the prophet and then our next generation of preachers quote preachers who quoted the prophet and then our next Generation quote preachers who quote preachers who quote preachers who exct like that's that's bad man that's like like thank God we have it all on tape so that we can go yeah no I think you had your own idea there this is what he actually said like that's so crucial and you know let's not forget what Malachi four five says behold I send you right you not the meage church not not all the pastors to to you know look pastors there they can break it down that's wonderful they can but I send you Elijah the prophet so if you wanted to know these things like it's there on tape you you you need to have some spiritual discipline to you know to to dive in you I once had someone asking me questions at a camp about like oh well what if I showed them the message and I'm not good enough at the what the technique of how I say this is the message I just told him hey Jesus had the perfect technique and they hated him and killed him honestly all you can do is present it and it was really did was really simple it wasn't super complex you show them the the tapes and they listen to it and they just don't see it or they see it it's a predestinated seed or it's not in my opinion yeah we we are not called to save anyone we're we're called to be faithful we're called to we're called to show Shine the Light you know and and so that's and that's I mean that's why I I guess I've kind of like the way I do it is I'm very just like hey man I I'll show you why I believe this no problem I am not I'm not making look I'm not gonna say anything man I'm just GNA show you why I believe it here's the scriptures pretty much just want you to see I'm not an idiot I'm just doing scriptures and if and if there's you know and I'm trying you know I'm passionate about I think it's amazing love you to come along be here you know but I I can't you know I can I can press the issue if I wanted to but I I just don't know what that would do so I I let God do all of that I just but I need to know why I believe what I believe and then that does a couple of things if I know why I believe this message if every single young person that's that's could that that hears this or is joined even for five minutes or two minutes or whatever but if if every single young person that that we've impacted knew you know was able to take people through these scriptures and show people why we believe that we needed a prophet and then take people through you know some of the things brother Bram said to show why we believe brother brandham is that Prophet if every young person could do that it would do a couple of things like number one it would help you in witnessing to others and we are supposed to go you know it's the Great Commission here the words of Jesus you know preach the gospel with signs and wonders following we're all a part of that so we should be doing that so we should be in studies so that we can at least do that in some on some levels even if we're not perfect at it on some level we should be a to there's another scripture that says always ready to have a an answer answer for the hope that lies within you you should have enough there to be able to answer but also if you can explain to others why you believe this message why this message is important why we believe brother Brandon if you can explain that to others when the Devil comes and tries to make you doubt you can show him the scriptures and you won't have any reason to doubt anymore because you'll be like you know what it's just true true like Sorry Devil it's just true you come too late this is this is why if I don't know and and and I think this this is huge you know this would be another point I would say it's really huge for this talk is if you don't know why we believe brother M is a prophet if you don't know why we need this message then you need to dive in and find those answers and get those answers and have those in your heart because the devil will come after you and try he's he's seeking as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour he will try to disrupt you in your faith and if you are not if you don't you grow up you have children you spread to them and then Generations later they won't be in the message yeah they won't they won't believe you know and not just you know and I'm not pushing back you know I'm just like not just the message they won't understand the truth yeah they won't have God in their they won't need they won't have Jesus and won't see Jesus the way that we do in the Beauty and The Wonder of it all and so I think it's it's uh so it's imperative that young people um take an interest in their own uh walk with the Lord and in their own um time not only with scriptures but also with the message themselves and the hearing behold I send you Elijah the prophet it's for you it helps you there's a lot it's not just witnessing to others it's helpful for you it'll be helpful for family so so dive in is all is all that I would say I made the M mistake in the past of just we can do it a lot it's just supposed to focusing on the Dynamics you can go to a camp and get excited and hear like the message the greatest thing to ever had the face of the planet you get all excited you don't what does that even mean and why is it such an amazing thing that's all and that's all true true but where are the Dynamics it doesn't or where's the mechanics it isn't just the Dynamics you need the mechanics too no and and so I mean what love you know it's like I I remember a lot of sermons on like you know um it's the anointing that destroys the Yoke and it's like okay but we're not just like it's the anointing of the word yeah it's the anointing of what the word is saying it's that the word is destroying the lies that the enemy is trying to tell you so now you are free because of the word not because of the powerful Spirit you felt in the service no it's because of what the word is is revealing to you it has now destroyed so the message does come and destroy the Yoke of the devil because it it it is the thing that brings Redemption from the deception I'm not talking about the Redemption as far as the saving of our souls you know Jesus dying on the cross but the Redemption from the deception the devil has brought on because that's what he did to to Eve in the Garden of Eden is there was a deception and she fell because of the deception and so we are living in a day now where there's deception but the word comes to bring the Redemption of that and that's what brother Bren says in the third seal is the word come would come to Eve for one purpose and that was Redemption so U that's why we have the and so so it is the Redemption of this word that does destroy the Yoke it is the Redemption that can do all of these wonderful and amazing things in our lives but it's because of the word it's because what the word is saying Jesus came and did this in you know Matthew Chapter 5 Sermon on the Mount like he's destroying yolks all over the place people are bound by you know man I got to do it the way the Pharisees said and then the word came in the right spirit and in the right in you know with the right man who came and said no this is what that means it's about the love it's about the peace it's about the joy and all of these things the message is is bringing all of these things um and and showing us you know showing us this is not a Works bace religion showing us it's not a join your church-based religion but it's that it's pure religion uh a life a life with Jesus Christ and Jesus and the Holy Spirit living inside of you so that's right yeah thanks for being on awesome yeah thank you for giving me an hour and 49 minutes to ramble on about some of my favorite subjects I hope it was a blessing awesome thank you very much brother Trevor God bless you yeah God bless you we'll see you yeah