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START OF FILE: 2024-01-20 - What do you mean by 0051 Part 2 - .txt
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Date:     2024-01-20
Title:    "What do you mean by" #0051 Part 2
Speaker:  
Church:   What Do You Mean By
Type:     Church Service
Duration: 1h 6m
Language: English
URL:      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7ypug7xBQk
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mean by number 51 part two going to get Levi po to join here in a second um because it wasn't working before all [Music] right let me see if this is working tell let me know guys can you guys hear me better now did uh restarting this fix it did it get fixed if it did please put in the chat that it got fixed for me except Noah Lily everybody else I'm not sure what it did I I don't know this is literally the newest Android phone money buy so I don't know there we go it worked perfect all right leave I'll be back here in a second sweet might even gain more people by doing this way who knows um good good good glad it works glad it works very good um all right we'll wait for Levi to get back here there he [Music] is once it works anyway hi guys welcome welcome and I wonder if I could try to train my voice to sound like Levi's voice that would be epic I mean I can change it depending on what the situation is but there's no way at all that I can sound like Lei T he's very good I love having him on here honestly it's very smart let's see go live go live go live let's see if this will work Levi I'm trying to make it work it's not working all right it says invited cancel invite I invited you view go live accept go live see if this it work I have no idea it might be Levi's phone guys who knows it says Levi PO is unable to join Levi I don't know what it's doing let's see there we go there you are there we are awesome awesome you sound good sweet good um you were talking about people you're talking about or don't go ahead and ask it's we were basically don't yeah yeah yeah uh what so so first date with someone right you kind of know them kind of don't really you want to go hang out with them to F them out a little bit more where do you go um it sounds like an anti answer but it is an answer you ask you ask her mom where she would love to go what would the ideal date look like and then mom and your dad yeah the idea because to me an ideal first date looks like having a great relationship with the girl and with her parents so ask the girl's mom what kind of flowers does she like what's her favorite restaurant what would make her day the most also it depends on whether or not they want you to have a chaperon too also make it fun for the chaperon that's a good well okay okay right next question right how old what's what's the date eting age range in your mind like my thought my thought is age divided by 2 plus 7 right so how 23 divide that by two 12 and a half right 11 12 and a half plus s 11 20 right I'm not dating anyone under right so what 11 and a half um as far as that goes our Prophet married someone at 16 when he was 24 my dad met my 17-year-old mom when she was when he was 25 so I think you could really just go God leads honestly yeah okay ideally now my choice if I got what I wanted I'd get someone within two years okay um I would find it very okay so let's let's let's pretend let's pretend that there is a difference between the way people did things in the 60s and what that said to society and the way people do things today and what that says to society right for example in the Bible Moses married Zapora who was a different race from him because God told him to right God told the prophet what was his name Ezekiel no not Ezekiel what was the prophet's name amosan I don't know one of those prophets he told him to marry a prostitute and take this prostitute to his wife right as his wife right I'm not doing that right you know unless God's like hey this is what you have to do but then again right it would be contrary to his word for me for today right so even could be an angel from heaven coming to tell me that and I wouldn't right okay so next thing right let's look at what's legal let's look at what's legal brother brandom said to obey the law yeah said to obey the law right um what's the law here the law is uh the law is a uh what is it um age of consent is what 18 depends on the St right but generally 18 right some of the more sketchy States it's like 17 right 18 um me personally with the people that i' met with the things that I know I would be very comfortable dating someone whose number starts with a one right anywhere from age one to age 19 right you can get away I could get away with 19 because I'm 23 right but ideally like I i' I'd find it hard I'd find it hard see like I said it's ideally within a couple years but ultimately would ever got once my everyone was everyone was mad at my dad when he met my mom at 17 and was dating her I he's 25 and she was 17 25 why were mad because she was 17 were right well well I'm here because they got married three years later so no that's not what I'm asking I'm asking were they right um yeah could they have done it better I think it's the wrong question honestly I think the right question is are you doing as God leading you that's the right question honestly now I would say it's a bad idea to talk to someone significantly younger than you that's a really bad idea especially if their mom wants to join in too uh but listen I'd like to introduce the FBI agent watching this yeah I mean like well there's also technically in States you see with the I think it's with the parents permission you can marry someone at 16 according the states the par permission you can yes yeah yeah yeah um I I me personally me personally I'm not going to say I'll never do something because I don't know Levi in three years I'm really trying to predict what he's gonna be like I'm trying to real put real hands on who that's gonna be right I'm not gonna say that I'll never do anything but I um by God's grace there are things that I won't do let's say let's say that right um but I would not want to marry I I wouldn't want to talk to seriously talk to anyone under the age of under the age of like 19 18 is like you know 1920 okay right 22 perfect right that's that's that's the way that I look at it right you know the difficult thing you can't really talk about this without sounding like a pedophile then don't then don't tell the truth right look that's and that's exactly why is there a problem with that right like should the way that it's perceived change your opinion um honestly I think you should go like like what brother bam said he' never put it in stone he said go with what your parents say go with what your parents right that's that's cool your parents will know that's cool but what was the exact question the question right um gosh now I forgot what my question was right no um um um gosh what was ideal asked me about my ideal age and I said a couple years ago no no no you said it's hard to talk about without making it sound without sounding like a pedophile in some sense and my question is should that have any bearing on the opinion that you have I think whether or not you think it's God's will should have the most effective thing that's cool and all and I agree but do you think that that should have any bearing on your opinion at all of course of course what kind of bearing and is it enough of a bearing to want to change it I think if it's not God's will you shouldn't change it I think everything will have a it will have an impact on whatever you do or do not do but ultimately want to do whatever God wants you to do of course you're going to consider y yeah this gr really nice but she's 15 so I should you should run or whatever but right but if you hear an audible voice saying hey you're you I want you to marry that girl in a year then do what God tells you but if you don't then I'd say go talk to someone closer to your age so why is an audible voice like like why why should we listen to an audible voice right my point of view Paul said in Galatians an angel could come from heaven and tell you something different he said and it's almost like he said it as if it was something that would happen you know though we are an angel and Moses also said the same thing he said a prophet could come to you and he could show you a sign or a Wonder tell you something that's going to pass brother brandom says this can anointed ones in the end time too right and he says a prophet you know and he could tell you something that's true in some sense and he could tell you another word say go do this we have to go do this now he said don't turn from it right and it's the same thing that happened to those two prophets right where the God told the one Prophet go here do this don't eat until you come back one Prophet came and said hey I saw a vision that you were supposed to eat with me and then God killed the younger Prophet for listening to him right so where was I going with all that I've heard so many people say God told me to do this or God is telling me to do that and it's like it's like to get out of jail free card hly with the whole thing my POS like people I've already said I'd like someone within two years of me I don't care though whatever God wants but I'm not going to ever put in stone I will never marry someone the certain age whatever because God will God had my 25-year-old dad meet my 17-year-old mom and marry her 3 years later God had our Prophet at 24 24 marry a 16y old he had his mom Mar a 14y old now hold on though there's nowhere in the Bible or the entire message where it says oh three different ages ages change it actually isn't age it's maturity so what I mean is is uh it's according to whatever God wants and um all ultimately I I'd rather get it you know two years of my age that's what I want so your dad was 25 and he started dating your mom when she was 17 but when did they get married three years later so she was 20 and he was she was 21 he was she was 21 he was uh 28 28 right age divided by two plus seven he's almost there right where's that I get that I think that's a good general rule but it's not a I'm not gonna you know I'm not going to make a Doctrine out of it I think generally you should look for someone pretty close to your age but when it comes to whatever God wants you never know right and I don't it's a it's such a but it's such a thing where people are like oh you're saying you should go after a young person it's such a bait on it's just so bait I AG I agree I agree but the other thing where was I I was I was gonna talk about though I've had many people screw make bad decisions claiming God LED them and that clearly wasn't the case get out of jail free card agreed Levi thank you Christian how do you get to know a 15-year-old that well here's the here's the deal if you want to get to know a 15-year-old it's like it's so early that you could be lucky enough to meet a 15-year-old you can decide what they're going to be and so you can force feed them propaganda to be your perfect partner oh that I forgot you had a question about well how would you know it was the voice of God leading you I'd say God will you will know if is God in a way that God will um tell you I'd also have to do more research because I believe brother Bram talked about that or of course he did but I'd say if you continue asking that voice some questions it'll line up with the word and it won't contradict the word and it'll line up love God says marry this certain girl tomorrow and you don't have a penny in the bank and it's just I think God would put it into order and he would tell you in a way that you know it's him like when God led me to start preaching I knew it was God but if God if I start feeling LED that I should buy a uh you know go into $40,000 worth of debt to buy a new Mustang I don't think that'd be God leading me to do that um but I think you know like when my when my dad first met my mom a voice spoke to him and said you will marry that girl he did three years later you know so it it depends um honestly but I'm I'm not in the habit of saying you can never do this at a certain what because that's God but at the same time me personally i' want someone within a couple years just just just what I want honestly because it's better like if someone if I talk to someone and they're 22 years old that is awesome because you know then they've already went through life they're an adult uh they could get married in a year but if someone's younger then you got to take your time you got to go for years it's just it's a whole another ball game but if they're older it's different now if uh if trauma or if they've been taking care of their dying mom for the past two years or something like that then there's more mature there you know which I would agree that girls back when brother B married his wife were on average much more mature than girls are today I would agree with that okay right one last thing I I I I I think we're on the same page here I think we're on the same page right brother brandom said what you can do is when you see a woman who's wearing paint is call her Miss dog meat that that's what you do right you what what did you say sorry brother com said brother brandom said what you do when you see a woman who's wearing paint on her face you call her Miss dog me because that's what she is right sure yeah right he said that right right now should we as Christians be doing that was it a joke I think there's like for instance when this is this is a diff this is a very strange analogy but it fits when people ask me should a white guy date a black girl and I tell them that's the wrong question to ask the right question is are you doing as God is leading you so when you ask about what was the question again it was uh about what was the question again oh my right should you call a woman who's wearing paint on her face Miss I would say you should look into why they're doing it why would brother bam say that about Jezebel because Jezebel had a reason why he in her soul I I once heard of a friend who's talking to a girl and that girl's both her parents died and he asked that girl you know if your dad was there telling you you were beautiful would you still wear makeup she said no so I would venture to say look at the reasons why and the character of why they were makeup you never know maybe they had cancer two years ago who knows I would say look into the reason why and got and brother bam knew that reason why with Jezebel which is why I said do right now the reason I asked that question is because I'm kind of trying to cinch home my point that's like even if it's not it's not what's the word for it set in stone in the word like don't do this or do that it's like almost there are very few things are right the message isn't necessarily A Book of Rules it's it's the transfer and embodiment of a spirit right exactly um back to your point should a black guy dat a white girl right and you say do as God leads you I say it depends on what you claim you believe that's what I say right now I'm I'm gonna get into it right but I will say if you look at the message and you say I believe every single word of this message and I believe that a black guy should be able to date a white guy right if you if you say those two things it's like paradoxical you cannot believe those two things at the same time because of what brother brandom said right it's it's the same thing as like you know does it take a revelation from God or does it take somebody who knows how to read right like if you're thinking about murdering someone the Bible says th shall not kill but I need a burning bush to tell me it's like no just read read the quote right read the tenth command read the Commandment right honor thy father and thy mother right Thou shalt not kill Thou shalt not steal yeah but I feel like this is really deserved to me there's a process for that right go to court or whatever Thou shalt not steal right and so it's it's like there are I feel like there are some things it's like if you say you believe something then you are now responsible for living up to it in a way to where you represent it correctly and not being let's say logically inconsistent I agree and like I said ask your pastor it's so that is that subject is the most I would say it is the most uh daring and uh difficult one of the most difficult ones me me it's like you know the Catholics uh what does the Bible say about this oh go ask your Priest No read the Bible read the quote what does brother brandom say in that quote right and it's like ask your P what am I asking my pastor for so he can give me like a way out you know because it isn't because I would say it's almost never as simple as that almost never yeah yeah there's always other factors there's always different things but that's with literally every single part of the word what I'm saying is it's what what I mean by that is that it is it's the second most important decision in your life so ask your pastor you know because was Moses wrong to marry in Ethiopia Moses not sent Elijah the prophet see Olia says they're looking for a loophole to what they want to do exactly yeah I would venture to say ask your pastor because you never know the whole thing because I wouldn't I would never say the people who do that are a um they are devils or demons or they're disobeying the prophet of God or just ask a pastor it's such a it's such a dicey subject you know well it's like it's dice it's like asking should you play tapes in church or should should you not it's so well okay let's look at what let's look at what Paul did right what did Paul do Paul sent when he okay so let's let's look at all the scriptures here right behold I send you Elijah the prophet right in the days of the voice of the seventh angel right and if you look at what Paul did Paul instructed people when they were sent so there's actually scriptural evidence for this Paul instructed people caused these letters that I'm sending you to be read aloud in the church and so it's like we actually have evidence for that right now whether you want to play them in your church on your Sunday service or you don't that's up to you right um but uh what brother brandom said about that other topic it is clear he said it was wrong so if you claim to believes that that was true everything he said was true but at the same time you still want a loophole for this or you you know you want an exception or he was really talking about culture not race right if you want those things then it's like you know are you not satisfied with what you've been given that's what I think right now and just like Olivia Kini said right there is a permissive will right find yourself in it right find yourself in it right you don't want to right and so it's it's uh yeah it's that that's my it's a what it's a it's it's it's a very hard question and then when I say ask your pastor what I mean by that is you know we're both Pastor Sons you and I both know it's never as simple as that there's a thousand of the things that are you never know what's going on and right as will know things but I say ask your pastor he knows the context of what's going on he may say hey it doesn't matter what color they are you need to get your life together son or the girl like Hey sister it doesn't matter what color he is you need to get the Holy Ghost you know because that's the thing because I'm 23 I don't know all the answers to all the things I mean I for me personally I had people telling me that Jesus was just another person just a man and not God and I showed them the quote of brother Bram said if you take Jesus and make him a second person a third person or any person other than God himself you are you're lost that's another ones at the end time if anyone's asking and I showed them the quote they're like well they just didn't change so well when when you say ask your pastor it's great to have conversations with your pastor about what you should do or the way you should be taking right therapist right but like I'm not asking my pastor for permission to agree with the word and I'm not asking it's not that what I mean is it's not that way he is placed in your life by God to be your guide to be your Shepherd and he will lead you in the way that needs to to be and it's just good to ask him about those decisions like I my pastor my living room by God's grace I can just ask him things which is Awesome by God's grace I think it's the best thing ever you know but it it's something that you should do if you're able to it's just to be you can never be too prepared and too too into it you just need to because um because you never know when maybe your situation is the exception maybe your situation is the MOS is Maring with Ethiopian maybe your situation is the uh Micah marrying a prostitute you never know what it is which why you got to ask the pastor because your pastor's probably going to tell you to go and pray about it it was Micah marrying a prostitute right or Moses Marrying an Ethiopian right it's like that's an exception to what's already given is the quote not good enough like do I need to see interesting to be it's interesting to people say oh well this is the exception I've never seen brother brhom or the or the Bible ever talk about exceptions so it's uh I've never seen that that's just what we've come up with as humans so that's why I say ask your pastor like like you know it's such a dicey thing ask your pastor because your pastor knows your real intentions and your heart and what's really going on right but and regardless of all the context we still come down to two very very very uh precise variables right the race of the person two very precise variables how are you going to change those variables how are you going to have an exception to the rule regarding those variables and still believe the quote the context in which it was given yeah it's a tough thing let's say ask your pastor I would I think honestly I think you should be asking your pastor regardless of even if you're a white guy dating a black girl or I mean a white guy dating a white girl whatever you should be asking your pastor course of course but ask your pastor I think is not the card to the specific scenario I see well it's the card to every scenario that's controversial in my mind that's really controversial that yeah ask I know of I know of great people the girl's White and the guy is clearly black and they are great message Believers and it's not a it's not a Salvation question so I'd say ask your pastor right right right it's it's uh it's it's just it's better than to try to do everything ourselves ask your pastor it's better too yeah yeah I I agree that you ask but I think that there are actual it was Hosea thank you Michael for the record I do think that I do think that there are things that are black and white um Pastor you know that's right I I think there's things that are black and white like Pastor I want to wear pants when I do X Y and Z right can I do that right it's like okay like why you what are you asking me for right it's it's like uh and this is something else brother brandom said too I thought this was really funny right brother brandom this one guy asked brother brandom if something was wrong and brother brandom's response to it was why are you asking me if you have a question stay away from it that's exactly what he said and that to me was striking like if you want to walk in perfect Faith Like is that what you have to do right you got a question about it I'm going to try to make this work out is it right or not he said if you have a what are you asking me for if you got a question don't do it right and so controversial issues like that depends on the question honestly yeah to me like a controversial thing like this is only controversial for people who aren't in the message or people who people who don't who think that the message needs to be contextualized um that's my point of view right so it's only if you're talking to someone who is what's the word for it not in the message or someone who doesn't believe what brother brandom said then it can be very very hard almost impossible to explain almost better left alone right if you're talking to someone who's in the message right um there there are hard sayings Jesus gave except you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you what was that for why did he say that he didn't say it you know to be popular he said it to filter people out quite literally right and I feel like it's the same thing it's the same thing it's the same thing with some of these smaller issues right is it controversial not in the context of the way it was given right so is is is there some filtering we need like are we filter filtering ourselves out by trying to contextualize it in a way that we want it to be I see I mean it's a uh I wouldn't have the um nothing nothing nothing um I wouldn't have the uh the desire to tell someone against to tell them hey you guys are completely wrong you should just divorce and you're going with your l so I would say that's why I say ask P now now I can say what's right I can say what's wrong based on what I've been given and I can make decisions for myself I can do those three things right so if you ask me if something's right or wrong I don't have to ask the pastor to say whether it's right or wrong right I can say it's right or wrong but if you ask me should I have been doing this at this time or should I do this I'm like that is none of my business I can tell you what's right I can tell you what's wrong I can tell you the way things are given right and you know if you want me to you give me enough information I can maybe plot out a course of action for you a little bit later down the road you can what brother Brom said and uh said in the let see what is this what in the world condemnation by representation he did say he did say um okay all right well you know I they said just tell me what fine cultur fine chisan C women would want her baby to be a motto by a white man no sir it's not right what white women would want her able to be a motto by a colored man God made us what we are let's stay what God made us I believe it's right so you know that's what bam said I I tend to gr by the B thing when I say ask it is a there are more quotes I know them a lot I've got five quotes here um so um it's uh when I say ask your what I mean by that is he will guide you in the way he will know to tell you you know that you're uh that you are um being led by God he'll know if you're just going according to your flesh or whatever because I think you should ask your pastor even if even if you're both the same caller or whatever I think you should because it's a it's a thing to do that it's because I think a lot of the issue isn't necessarily so black and white is this white girl this black guy a lot of it is this Mexican this Asian this Mexican this white person this person with 4% of time this person with 4% 5% of time but that's not what we were talking about though was it we were talking about that one specific scenario and in the context that specific scenario I don't think anyone's ever not asking their Pastor right if they're not asking the pastor they're on the right wrong road to begin with right the same way if they're not talking to the parents or if they're trying to elope or something like that they're on the wrong road to begin with right but we're talking about this very specific deal in here where it's like is this right to do is this acceptable to do or not and is there an exception for this and I think that it's not acceptable if you claim that you believe what you do um I think that it's not acceptable and I don't think there's any exceptions that should be given within that small case case right where he literally says it's wrong now if you want to make exceptions if your conscience is clear if you let's say you're Mexican and Asian or something like that and and and and you're you're you know you can find some similar genealogy or something right and yeah go if your conscience is clear right what is it any of my business right so the thing that I'm doing here is not condemning people right the thing that I'm doing is I'm saying there is a way for you to go like there's a right there's a wrong there's a clear I'm on okay yeah not condemning people I'm just saying there's a right there's a wrong and then there's the way you go about doing it right and there's places where brother brandom clearly says this is right this is wrong and then if you're going to believe it and say that you believe it and walk with it then what else do you need right you see cyber says a really good point your dad should run this life one night called ask us we're pastors that' be that'd be legendary man ask your ask ask your dad if he wants to do that by the way Levi that'd be awesome ask your pastor ask your dad if he wants to do that I think that'd be pretty cool well honestly when I say that ask your pastor it's I can read the quotes in all these different things but what I can't do is I can't change people's hearts if someone wants to do something they're going to do it and if someone has ever asked me those qu you know should have this be what I think about intercial marriage in a serious way I say ask your pastor because it's not my business to get involved with I can read a quote but you and I both know reading a quote isn't going to change someone every single time actually most of the time it doesn't because it it's not a matter of reading it or I think it's a revelation and I think that you should get your pastor involved as soon as you can because that's a wise thing to do I don't think that it's wise to try to do everything yourself um so I I me personally you know I it's just such a divisive thing and it's so so much better just to private ask a pastor because the problem isn't color problem is what's in your heart and mind that's what's the issue because like what am I going to tell the albino white a white guy who's actually black but he's white as can be what in the world is he supposed to do you right we know what we know what we mean when we say white people we know what we mean when we say black people right so I I do agree like there's you do you always you always want to have other people on board with you right other people Consulting you and giving you information and there are people who aren't going to be in it for your good who will be giving you feedback as well too right so it's important to filter the feedback too right but in this very specific I feel like what we've done for this specific problem is we've taken the should you be able to do this and we've like just uh We've uh uh uh We've inflated it to uh We've inflated it to include all sorts of other cases and things that aren't necessarily necessarily um necessarily correct right so I think the question should a white person marry a black person if you're looking at it in the message the message says no right and I think that's very clear right now if we're talking different races different contextualization stuff like that okay right dig into it as far as you want to right but as far as that specific instance goes I think the answer is no based off of what the message says right so you know it's it's not an ask your pastor sort of deal right maybe ask your pastors like you know I'm this different race and we're this and we're having questions about it right but as far as black and white goes the answer is no right so to me that is very clear it's like it's not even it's not even controversial it just is that's the way that he said it then that's the way we should live it right that's that's the kind of the way I look at it right so and usually when people ask this question that's literally what they're asking they're not asking about all these other races right like if you were to ask me should a Mexican person and an Asian person I'd say go ask your pastor same thing right and you know in some sense what are you asking me for go read the quotes I'll send you quotes I'll send you quotes all day you'll be sick of my quotes right but uh I think I think that the answer is very clear yeah brother the B said it let's see SE says right-handed folks can marry left-handed folks just that I clear that up um yeah I mean I I when I say ask your pastor I say ask your pastor to make sure you're in the will of God because that's more important than what color you are um now I as far as would I marry a white person and a black person no because brother because brother brandom said these things and I take the same stance brother up brother Donnie Reagan does on it um but um it's a it's such a divisive thing yes you can say that it's a such a divisive thing right you can take that St with so many different things I it's a respect someone I could respect people who say uh on the one hand um you know we got together before he knew this or I knew much about this and you know we're married now we're going to say that way right I can I can even respect people who say I can even respect people who say I knew this is true but I couldn't live up to it I can respect that but what I can't get behind is people who look at the quote and say it doesn't mean that by whose authority right um Olivia asks I agree with the points you've made Levi just out of curiosity how do you think to respond when people bring up the fact God told Moses to marry in Ethiopian God told Moses to climb a mountain and carve out uh tablets he told people to lead the children of Israel out of God told Moses so many things and we got to hear a tiny little bit of them he spent 40 days and nights with Moses up in the mountains at one point right Moses was not sent Elijah the prophet Moses does not have the word for our day the same way you know um Noah uh uh the same way Moses didn't float people out on the Nile brother brandom said wouldn't it worked right so Moses was not given the word for our day right um and all scripture is is is is is is uh what suitable for Doctrine and reprove yes that is true right but uh um I I want to say that we don't speak lit to ear with God like God did with Moses right maybe some of us do right but that that's something brother brandom did right um that's something that you know Noah did Moses did right Elijah they did those things right and they were the word of God for the day right um and so back in those days too there there were tons of Provisions for you know if there were people who came from this point or that point or they wanted to consider themselves part of the congregation how wives could you have and so on and so forth right um that's my point of view right um and so it's like God wasn't sent Moses Elijah the prophet right and you're not Moses so that's that's the way that I say it right yeah well I wouldn't ever say quot on that quote on that though sorry go ahead David um says a question is finding a girl within your race take precedence over finding a girl with the Holy Spirit in right walk that's difficult you're saying should I do it God's telling me to do or should I do it U my interpretation everything is that's difficult well um I I would venture to say that if if you believe that brother brandom's word is the voice of God to you then what the holy SP Spirit tells you will coincide with that word right so it's not an either or right it's not a battle that you know it's a Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever and I would never venture out to say oh well because it was 6,000 years ago it's no longer applicable today that's why I say ask your pastor because the asking your pastor part isn't about whether or not you should marry a white girl if you're a black guy or vice versa it's about whether or not you have the Holy Ghost and your pastor knows that because I the the more important part is do you have the Holy Ghost I'd rather have a black girl and a white guy get married with the Holy Ghost when God told them to do it then people of the same race get married and they don't have the Holy Ghost okay that's okay so I like it's a it's a you I get your pastor involved because he'll know whether or not you're LED of God and um you know it's uh get your pastor involved I'm not going to yeah I will I will agree um but I I will say that the main issue isn't arguing that you need the Holy Ghost to get married right the main issue isn't that we we we want to know whether we have the Holy Ghost or not the main issue is and because those are two very easily solvable problems and we just did ask your pastor right um a third point that I would venture to add is that if you are aren't part of the Bride let's say you're maybe you're Noah and maybe you're not Enoch right because God did have covenants with other people right if you're not part of the Bride maybe that could be the voice of God to you right because brother brandom's voice was sent to call people out in some sense right but he wasn't sent for foolish virgin if you does that make sense yeah yeah that makes sense and you know so so my you know maybe God could tell people who aren't Under The Voice mess a good point so when I say ask your pastor I mean is the pastors the one that should be correcting people and who they're supposed to marry should not me you know I can read the quote and all that sure but it's more successful to just tell them to ask their pastor and the pastor to say yeah brother bam said it it's very clear don't do it you know but the pastor knows how to correct somebody very effectively um yes but but that's not a good answer to the question should should so it's a good answer to the question should I it's a good answer to the question you know I'm considering doing this should I do it that's a good answer to that question but it's not a good answer to the question is it wrong or is it something that message believer shouldn't do I say ask your pastor I'm not going to give a definitive answer on such a such a divisive topic ask your pastor your pastor is the one placed in your life to correct you not me you're giving a good answer to the wrong question if I ask you should I marry a white girl then you can say ask your pastor right but if you ask me is it right for a message believer to uh for a black message believer and a white message believer to get married if you ask me that I'll say what the quote says I don't have a problem with that well I'm I did I read the quote to you I did I read the quote it's exactly what brother B said now I'd say regardless of anything when you're trying to decide you should marry ask your pastor okay so pardon me what I feel like you're doing is you're avoiding this controversial topic by zooming out and focusing on a bigger topic and the topic that you're focusing on is people not I'm not at all listen I'm not at all when brother Brandon was asked questions that he had clear answers to he said ask your pastor so I'm saying ask your pastor and I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna have people get mad at because I told Ask Pastor right but brother brandom had clear his answers were different to certain people for that reason right and you know if someone asks if someone ask brother brandom can I marry two people people right you know can I can I have two wives at the same time do you think you would say to ask your pastor in that whole questions and answ Series where people gave him questions and stuff you know like could he just say ask ask your pastor to all those questions hold on hold on my dad's texting me hold on um see pre agree yes um depends on the pastor some are okay with things other pastors aren't that's very true um I see um let's see brother Bram said in Jehovah Gyra some of you maybe wrote me letters I answered the best I could now do the questions you ask me in Doctrine I just referred you back to your pastor you see because I don't I don't do that see it's nice I appreciate you putting that much confidence but you see all of us wouldn't agree just on Basics we all we agree the same things each man maybe two or three sitting there wouldn't that's the reason I said ask your pastor see because sometimes it causes a little friction in the church and we don't want that we we want you to be in Harmony and one Accord I think if your pastor like the sound Amazing Grace you see if your pastor prayers preach the gospel and you are converted and filled with the Holy Ghost trust him on he'll take care of the rest of it just go right on so I don't answer doctrinal questions I just believe in the great fundamental Evangel Evangelical doctrine of the Bible and what I say here even if your pastor disagrees with it we'll just know we'll know just one thing that's basically we both believe this thing okay that's why I say ask your pastor it's more important to be in God's will I'm not going to it is not my bus right ask your pastor that's a that's a great quote right but the precedent we're laying with that quote is that our pastor's Doctrine will it'll take president over say I'm not saying that you're saying that I'm saying that a precedent a dangerous precedent we can lay with that quote is that our pastor's Doctrine takes president over brother branham's Doctrine right now I can understand him I can understand him writing that letter to people where you know he's not I I don't think Levi is disagreeing with you just trying to get you to hone in on a more specific area exactly right um I I I'm I'm not going to say that I'm not GNA say I I seeing who brother brandom is and where he's at in that area it's like of course right he doesn't believe he has the authority to overstep on their pastor's Doctrine he's a pastor he's a preacher he was a very polite man right we we have taken it upon ourselves to believe everything that he said said in that case his Doctrine would always overstep so in like to me it's like there are Aster Pastor things where there are obvious gray areas there are there there are areas that are not as gray and to me this area is not gray at all right maybe what you should do about it maybe it's not my place to say it there's obviously pastoral questions what I'm doing is I'm saying what I'm doing is I'm saying it's uh money is only uh 20% head knowledge it's 80% of behavior inal marriage 20% head knowledge it's 80% behavior and what you people need help with isn't the head knowledge everybody in the message knows the quotes on it so that's why I say when they're really seriously considering it yes I can read them the quotes I can but ultimately as a pastor's son and someone see situations the best thing you can do is to ask your pastor why because he's ordained of God to lead you through and and he's going to tell you what I'm going to tell you if he's LED of God he's going to say hey this is what the quotes say and I can't really disagree with them this is what it says um he's the and he knows how to convey that to them but he's also going to ask them have you prayed about this um are did you get a voice from God all these different things and he's going to know how to be successful in sh in delivering the message to them as long as he's LED of God that's why you know it isn't a should you do it or should you not it's a are you um seriously considering this and if you are bro that's not good because for the B's very clear on this you need to ask your pastor if someone seriously thinks yeah go ahead sorry sorry I I don't mean to interrupt but you're saying that when people are asking this question they're asking it from a behavior standpoint instead of a knowledge standpoint is it wrong right yes everybody knows the quotes on it everyone in the entire message knows what brother benam said about it it's a behavior problem if someone still persists if I'm saying if someone if someone asks me as a right around like read the quote brother Bram said that's not right so brother ask the pastor because then that's a behavior thing he's going to say hey you guys probably need the Holy Ghost okay okay right so so I think I think we agree I think we agree right I'm saying that I'm saying that the word says what's right and what's wrong but in terms of what you should do you asking me what you should do you say go ask the pastor to that I agree right yeah um he's GNA tell you like he's probably going to tell you the same thing I would but he's going to do it in much more successful way because some people need to say hey loser that's what brother brandom said stop ignoring it other people need more love and the pastor knows where me I'm too much fire and brimstone sometimes and I have to put more love into it that's why I've said just ask your pastor because it's not my business to deliver the interpretation or what on an IR racial marriage you know I can give encouragement godhead stuff but other than that you should ask your pastor he's probably going tell the same thing I will but he'll say it in a way that uh is more successful than me so I think the reason why people ask us questions is because they want to know what we believe so they can use it to kind of shape up their own beliefs right I think people generally know what their Pastor would say right and so me when someone asked me that question I'm like well are why are you asking me that right well you know I'm wondering these sorts of things I'm like ah this is out of my pay grade Pastor right well Levi what do you actually believe I'm G read the quote I'm going tell you it's wrong according to that quote according to the rep the interpretation that's what I believe what you believe you know maybe that's my business maybe it's not as far as that goes right but generally when people ask that question it's a fun question it's a controversial question they're asking it because they want to know how you're going to represent what you read out of the word that's what I think yeah I agree yeah yeah exactly I mean what it does is like it's not about like me you don't think I would love to go on and on and on about interracial stuff or stuff like that but there's certain topics I'm not going to touch with a 10- foot PLL y because the problem isn't whether or not they're thinking person black person the part the pro if they personally are really thinking that the problem is if someone reads the quotes and still thinks oh maybe I could that's a behavior problem and they need to ask their Pastor or or they've encountered too many people who are like it's okay it was for a different time it was back then you get what I'm saying so that's why I think this direct direct you know uh belief voicing is very important and I also agree with you like there are topics I won't touch with a 10 foot pole I create content for a living right I'm up I'm talking to the camera I'm telling people stuff right um and uh well well with the message it's easy say what the quotes say right but you know when I'm on what's the word for it when I'm on content people like what do you think about Gaza and Israel I'm like that's not my business what do you think about George Floyd or this stuff that happened I'm like is it my job to solve that problem right now because if it's not then it's a sin of Pride for me to divert my focus from what I'm currently given to to try to you know mini solve that problem or get upset about it's the same thing with politics right um you know if I believe that I'm making a difference sure you know go and vote right but me personally like there are problems that I am not responsible for solving right and so that's kind of the way that I look at it audible isn't sponsoring this we need to change that hey you send the email I'll show up again exactly yeah I I agree but I hope you know what I'm saying not to say I'm not by asking your pastor I'm not saying that I don't have a definitive belief on it the same as you I'm saying which I do believe the same exactly you do I'm saying you need to if someone actually legitimately is wondering they should ask the person because often times the problem isn't that the problem is something else sometimes you know you never Gabriel is correct very big thing is to have the Holy Ghost in the first place I agree yeah yeah it's the main thing yeah so now also I have another St I've made which you're going to laugh I said uh I'm white so I'm never going to have to worry about yeah yeah yeah I'm not well I I I count her are you married no so I mean right right right right I you know yeah yeah yeah some like what are the subjects you wouldn't touch with the 10 foot pole like message message touch oh my you mentioned Seven Seals I'd really I'd stay away from it just because my own head knowledge is not where it needs to be for me to discuss it fluently yeah me too the writers and stuff and brother Brandon refers to different writers as different things or does he right there's so many different you know there's so many different um what is it uh uh out there on the Seven Seals where it's like okay you know it means this and it means this and it means this right and how do I wrap all this stuff so I still have studying on that to do um gosh another thing that I won't touch with the 10- foot pole uh uh tapes versus ministers I'm like that's asking me that's like asking me if we should have the Old Testament or the New Testament why is it a verses right and then I say something that people hate um and I say it's the same spirit that doesn't want us to play the tapes in the church is the same spirit that doesn't want us to preach in the church right and people don't like that and I say that because I say it because God gave us both of those things and there's a spirit that doesn't want us to have one of them or both of them and that's working very hard over time right so you know personal opinion yeah yeah sorry go ahead I had brother Trevor idon for the sole purpose of that because I can talk about that but he's the only guy I know of that has preached at the BAM Tabernacle went there for 15 years now goes to a church with live preaching preaches all over the world this message and when he preaches he takes message culture and then he actually brings the word of God out and stuff like that like when like with uh what this cyber jethra says what's the proper skirt length go what he said about that is he preached a sermon called uh was called um M something like hottie h a u g h t y That's and what he said was is which one is the legalist the girl that barely wears stuff below her knee or the girl that always wears things as long as possible and uh she's just trying to get as long as possible all the time and trying to say and trying to say oh I'm better than everyone else because those girls do way below the way great extens than me and I do it all the way down he said they're both legalists because they're both trying to justify themselves by the law when it comes to what the skirt length is it's less about the legalistic aspect of it and more about the it's the uh if the girl's trying to look modest and pretty but not like in a bad way it's more about Spirit behind it that's a really good point that's a really good argument Trevor it's not me yeah to the to the point well I mean every single word that we have is stolen every argument that we have is stolen right um I personally like as far as like the the what is it the um tapes versus Ministry side of things it's like sure there's nuances in there I'm not going to tell you what your church is should or shouldn't do or whether you should shouldn't like that's none of my business right um God gave us both of those things is my point of view now people have their arguments for both people will say ministers are just off the word all the time and it's better to have just the tapes and just listen to those you know for accuracy and you know good point right and you have ministers who are saying um God gave us jobs to do and we need to do them well and we need to do them we need to ex we need to execute what God tells us to do and you know correct and my point of view it's like yeah just take everything that God has right like God gave he gave us these things why Jesus Christ the same yesterday that today and forever brother brandom reinforced what he gave right he was the one who turned the corner right there's no corners I don't think we need to turn he gave us everything we need right and so yeah might get in trouble this but yeah I I I I I I'm not going to say what any church or or or or congregation should be doing or where you should go with your family you know if you're going to if you're going to if you're going to make the Rapture you need to do this with your that's not my place to do it right but I can look at the word and I can say God gave us things for a reason we need to use them we'll be responsible for them yeah yeah I agree and I think it's a uh this is actually an let's see Spector s having longer skirts doesn't mean they are trying to be better I've got three sisters me personally if you got to pull your skirt down every time you sit down says enough I agree now um I uh this is actually an original thought I that I have on the tape versus it shouldn't be a verses tapes and preaching is like me I sing song I preach by the guitar I listen to other people preach I've preached at different churches I listen to tapes all the time and I listen to other people preach as well I do all the same things brother brandom did how am I wrong when talking to people that only to play the tapes and they've never been able to give me a straight answer ever I said I live the same way brother brandom did I'm not brother Brandon but I preach listen to people preach get notes from what they say from my own sermons and I sing and I listen to Life preaching and I listen to tapes the same way brother the brandham did and they're like and they've never given me a straight answer yeah I I'm going I said I wasn't going to get into this or touch it with the 10 foot poll because it is very easy to say something that will make people think that you're something when you're not or say something that will hurt someone's feelings but I will all I will say is I listen to what brother brandham said to do and when he says what to do it lines up with exactly what the Bible teaches right so I 100% believe the message I think it's important to listen to I think it's important to play I think you know just like I said Paul read the letters aloud in his church he said command that these letters be read aloud that's a scriptural example right and I think we're in the days of the voice right God's voice to us right um I also think we're we're in the brother brandom talks about restoration of the Bride tree and he talks about each of these sorts of things um um and I I think that God gave us brother brandom he he he ordained ministers and he talked about how these things operate in the church and whatnot and you know why do I have to give up the potatoes if I want to eat some of the steak and why do I have to give up the steak if I want to eat some of the potatoes right why like give me a good reason why right no I can I can guys relax I'm definitely not recording this this better not show up on Twitter right um yeah I I agree and I think also one thing think I think something that people some people often Overlook is yeah I think we should listen to tapes you know I also believe every believer should listen to but the berry coffee series on the second most important decision in life it's a three-part series and it's five hours long I think every believer should listen to Time and Eternity by Brother by brother uh Steve coffee I think they should listen to um to uh to uh to what's the word offenses must come and then go by my dad now here's what I think I think that it like there is definitely content that can be helpful right like if someone asked me a question I'm like oh you know what are you looking for right and like if it's psychology something like that why are people acting like this send them a Jordan Peterson video even right yeah but to me the voice of God to me there's no other voice that is on that level personally right yeah I agree mean I can say that I can say that you should listen to the message right I don't know if I could say that you should listen to anything else without you know un should I said it's something that's good and it's something that's neat and it's it's also you know like brother Trevor Eman for instance I love listening to him he helps me significantly and I don't agree with the point of saying that if it's not from a tape you can't be sure it's thus sayeth the Lord because that would be saying yeah if it's not from Jesus then I'm sorry Peter I'm not going to listen to Acts 2:38 you know so it's a it's um it's a dicey thing but I think that it's a you know it does it line up with the word it does it line up with the quotes with what brother Benham said and if it does then it's true and certain things like brother brandham has various topics and various sermons you know like about marriage and divorce and stuff like that but it doesn't have a sermon series based on the second most important decision ever made yes there like you should read the uh I've read the marriage courtship IND Doctrine but what you're saying is that will be helpful helpful like brother Barry coffee reads probably 50 quotes in the series you know I think every believer should listen to the uh the ministering gifts sermon series but brother Nathan briy say three-part sermon series where he talks about playing tapes in church and go watch my Tik Tok I'm kidding I'm kidding there you go like you know brother brother uh brother Nathan Bryant he's a pastor in Jeffersonville and he talks about people that say oh brother Brandon fulfilled all five offices of the fful ministry or uh I I what would you choose do on the Bible or the message whatever and he goes through these questions and he uh answers them according to the message and I think I believe sincerely that every message believer should listen to them for one because they're 80% quotes he's just reading a bunch of really good quotes on it and it's from also from his uh his um experience on it because he's a pastor in Jeffersonville um they're very word-based and it's almost all Olivia that's a great comment right there I think that it goes back to the same thing of ask your pastor versus this is correct or not right like me personally I can't say what people should or shouldn't do right but I can say what the quot say right and I think be sorry I don't mean everyone should be required to I mean if someone's thinking tapes preaching they should listen to that series because yes brother brandom says things about it but he doesn't have an entire sermon dedicated to it you could take every quote with the B set on it and then play it but you'd have to edit it all in you know from this sermon that sermon that sermon you know this brother reads a bunch of different sermons plays part of a tape stuff like that um so if they're curious about I think that they should and I think that it can be it can be a blessing to them some better than watching a movie at least I know some people who would sit down and watch an entire Hollywood movie and they would scorn scorn a preacher's word that doesn't make sense to me that's just me right though like I I brother brandom talks about and I again right if you have if you disagree with me DM me afterwards please don't spread rumors about what Levi post said on the live with David kren I I personally like you know if I if I if it was a Sunday and there's no message churches in the area um what brother brand I'm say to do right he said there's there's all sorts of things that you can do right sure I'm going to listen to a tape right it'd be nice to go to a church and you know you can you can have both right I could go to uh David you there I'm here are yeah I could go to like a I could go to like a Pentecostal church and I could sit down and to me brother brandom says you're eating Cherry pot and there's a pit or a seed and you just throw the seed out and you keep eating pie right I can do that now do I want to no I'd rather go to a message church right and then again right you get people and this is so this is such a h what's the word it's such it's such a brain brain free brain fog right because you also have people who won't go to message churches that don't align with their specific sort of Doctrine too right and it's almost like the work from home uh what is it Spirit has taken over a lot of people and it's like listen to a tape at home which I have no problem with doing that at all right if that's what you believe you should do by all means do it right I think it's good to be in church right and again right it's it's as you said it's such a complex topic that it's like an ask your pastor sort of moment right like that is or listen to the one that listen to the live by brother Trevor he really goes into it one of the the thing I won't touch with the seven 10 foot pole people say what do you think of Brother Joseph and I'm just like brother brandom said if you love me love my family we love him with all heart so me pray for him and he's doing the best he can I'm not going to touch a 10 fo full though no no that's not my business um but yeah I I agree I mean it's a it's a dicey thing but one thing I think you can take a def finish standa is people making um taking authoritative arguments on it like one person one time told me nothing is more beautiful to me than the voice of God on tape and I said that it's a uh it's true yes also to me nothing's more beautiful to me than the voice of God whether it's on tape or through the Seas of the winds or if it's just the sound of the wind God God speaks the different ways and to me the most beautiful thing is when God speak I know God's speaking to me doesn't necessarily have to I think in my opinion and I will say this and I will mean it with all my heart and soul people will limit themselves by saying I can only hear it from a tape because brother the Bram talked about having a pastor he talked about a five-fold Ministry and sometimes you could hear something even from Paul in a certain way and it wouldn't be as effective as even hearing the same thing just in a different style from Peter John I think that uh God has everything in there for a reason that's what I think right I'm not equipped I'm not equipped to comment on everything right that much I will say um but God has everything in there for a specific reason and uh we don't want to be guilty of taking things out that's what I think right right and also you know another thing too is like we don't want to be guilty of looking at other pointing at other people who are doing it wrong right that's not our calling that's not our business right our business is to do what we're led to do do what we're called to do right and so even brother brandham he was incredibly respectful towards people of different religions right and brother Billy Paul talked about this too you know when he'd go to India you'd go to these different places he'd be very very respectful of these people he was Ultra incredibly respectful of different pastors and of different beliefs some people would say biting cutting things about him right um you know it's it's a you know it's it's a h it's not our job to look at who's doing it wrong and say why they're doing it wrong right we're not responsible for that if we were we would know yeah so I I um it's beautiful because it's just to us it's like handing the tablets that Moses brought down I agree I agree um Unity not division so yeah I one thing I that I will say though that does bother me it's the uh so much separation in the message right like I'm not going to hang out with you or talk to you because you're part of this faction right or I'm not going to I'm not going to be uh seen with your kind in some sense it feels like right that bothers me I don't like that right I mean the message is small enough as it is we don't need to be making it smaller yeah yeah I agree and the really important thing is are you doing as God's leading you because our people are in all different ways and that's really the more important question really honestly it really is one divisive topic that I would get into and I'd be completely f with is the godhead because I've done I've done more study on the godhead than all the subjects combined by God's grace which there's a lot and a lot of what I say or I'd say a good 80% of what it say it's just quotes I quote them there like that's a it's a it's a big thing now I will say that this you know like the tapes thing is very important so important to me I wrote a letter to Brother Joseph brandom about it it's a long long letter where I took statements said by other pastors statements said by him copy and pasted them and said to him like brother what's going to happen whatever you know the people the all the pastors we look up to can't get along what's going on you know so like I do care about it I will say I will say myself that it's it's not it's it's like I see so many people making themselves responsible for other groups right or trying to save people who are already saved right or already filled right it's like is that your responsibility right and so you know as as you said do what the Lord leads you to do it's that's that's the point that I have right and then are you doing what brother brandom said to do right one other thing I will I will stress this one more time while I'm on this live uh DM me if you if you think I said something wrong if you're like oh Levi's like this you know it's it's 11 pm here I've been up for at least eight hours I'm kidding I'm kidding right it's 11 pm right it's late uh U these are the sorts of conversations generally that you have with one person on the phone and not in front of a group of tons of people right so I know how quickly things can spread um maybe me saying this uh helps helps helps soften the bow a little bit right yeah but uh but uh yeah if if if if you guys if you have any uh what is it comment or you think that I'm saying something please clear feel free to clear it up with me I I would love that yeah I agree that's awesome I honestly man I think you they said things very balanced I think anybody that wants to find problems will people stupid people do stupid things and say stupid reasons and stupid things and stupid people do stupid things honestly I stopped caring a long time ago yeah now if someone's sincere with me than they different but I stop caring but I got to go because I got to wrap my wound here oh why' you why' you show me that why it's just part of it just part of it that's about a third of it um yeah it's yeah no I will I will say though that the one thing that bothers me the most is like the division of Fellowship like I don't like that right and especially in like maybe the past 10 five years or so right it's like there are people that you hardly see anymore right and you're like we're in the mess it's like where everybody go right had a closer relationship with Baptists and Catholics than a lot of socalled message people do with people that just listen to tapes or just are well there weren't really that many so-called message people in back in his time but you know what I mean by it yeah well those were the Christians right so I mean I I wish I wish uh I wish me message people got out more that's that's just my personal that's my personal my best yeah I gotta go man been fun thank you being on wrap your fish wrap your wound I've heard that fish scales help wounds wounds heal faster Sobe go fishing yeah maybe go fishing right or something like that all right man great to talk to you didn't anticipate it hopped on on a whim but it was a good conversation thanks man see you all right