################################################################################ START OF FILE: 2023-10-08 - Who is Dori Ann Courchaine What do you mean by 0034 - Who I.txt ################################################################################ SERMON DETAILS ======================================== Date: 2023-10-08 Title: Who is Dori Ann Courchaine "What do you mean by" #0034 Speaker: Who I Church: What Do You Mean By Type: Church Service Duration: 2h 32m Language: English URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p19Wwd0QoQ ======================================== TRANSCRIPT ======================================== by number 34 where we ask Mom about her life being Miss of Wisconsin at 17 different things like that welcome to what do you mean by number 34 all right so now we wait for people to get here and then we pray and then we start sounds like planing fair enough I was 18 you're 18 oh fair enough fair enough what's up guys how's it going all right so Mom how's it uh how are you doing today doing well doing very well how are you I'm good I'm doing good how are you guys how are the people in the chat guys put hearts in the chat if you're doing good can't really wave to everybody but you can wave to them like this hi hello hi so how's the uh how's how's every been live guys go on put put something in the chat say hello hello or whatever Al puts a heart in the chat Addison says hi charity Spencer Addison La Jones R week hi hello everybody hanging in there like a hair in a Biscuit hey let me put in the thing uh Christi's welcome here hold on what's up guys welcome and pin it very good all right mom so I guess I'll just pray and then we'll start sounds good all right Lord thank you for this day and for everything Lord please bless this Live use it for your glory and honor hope it be a fun and a good and a positive uh edifying time for everybody else to all have fun and ask all those things in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ amen all right so um where are you from I was uh born in Chilton Wisconsin I didn't know I thought you were born in Green Bay no oh when did you move Tiny Town when did you move to Green Bay I moved to Green Bay when I was 10 10 cool how many uh how many siblings do you have I have nine brothers and six sisters so you had 16 siblings 15 15 siblings wow yep our is the baby the baby wow yeah what was that like being was to so many siblings I was always in the spotlight like the center of attention growing up and yeah we we all needed Jesus yeah um it was great always somebody around and uh yeah okay and the uh let's see the what was was what would you say your testimonies from the beginning yeah you you mentioned that you were a very tough girl growing up what do you mean by that that um before I was born uh my parents uh had a baby they had lots of babies um anyway what was question sorry uh you said that you were oh I was tough yeah I had to I had to be tough growing up I had two Brothers right next to me um and I had not been raised in a Christian home and when it come time to coping with skills at about the age of 12 I started using drugs and there was alcohol all the time in my family um growing up and drugs like my parents didn't do drugs but my brothers and sisters did and so when I became a uh 12 years old at that ripe old age I decided that was the way I was going to cope with things um and that did not work out well um I literally had to have God proven to me um before I could have any confidence in my life so you said you were doing did you smoke and drink to or drugs or what did you do y I started smoking when I was 12 um cigarettes and I started smoking weed and I started doing um amphetamines um I became quite a habit because it was almost daily and um by the end of it I was selling you know to keep up you were a drug dealer my habit yeah I had to have money in order for for in order to buy more buy cigarettes and drugs and how old were you when you were a drug dealer well um I don't know honestly when it started but I remember being a total hypocrite at the age of 15 uh cuz when you do drugs you have to have two lives you know that uhuh one before people and one not when people aren't there anyway uh so I was going to a teen Institute um weekend getaway you know teen Institute is maybe some of you familiar with that it's kind of to help kids to get away from that kind of Lifestyle to kind of support teenagers well that's where I did all my selling that weekend you know for my habit and I was a total hypocrite before the Lord I I needed him and and I didn't know if he was real the only time I heard his name growing up was in swear words like literally um and we didn't go to church you know U think I remember going once when I was six and then uh yeah then uh a painter came to our house and he asked my parents if he could bring us to a church and that was in Clintonville and that's another um time I heard the word Jesus where it was different than a swear word so that was the beginning I had um heard about God and I was eight years old then and so by the time I was 12 yeah I started do drugs and all that so when you say you I put on a rough exterior because really I was hurting inside because I didn't know God So when you say you had two separate lives so one before people one with the drugs what were those different parts of you like how did you manage it I don't know um I put on a real rough exterior because there was uh I want to say guys hitting on me that were not very good guys um and there were girls that um wanted to beat me up and I did some fighting and my siblings did some fighting they usually stuck up for me and so but I saying all that to say that I had a facade of a real tough person but inside I was a real empty person a real um it was like a real coldness yeah emptiness I'm time during them times you have any stories from the uh any of the fights you had with people or things in school what's like some of those okay I have one story um it was in the middle of the afternoon we all had like a lunch break and we were standing on the side of the junior high and everybody was passing the pot around um this is was the time I was selling too so that's ter at that time you could get caught with a a um a seed of marijuana and you know it put you in trouble yeah and um so we were passing it around and I had happened to where a sweater was a little bit longer sleeves that day so the principal come out of nowhere around the corner and started just you know busting people and he was like you I knew I knew and at that time I just went like this so that cuz I had the pipe when he came around and I so I just went like this and he didn't boss me and I so that's out of all the years that I sold and stole and did drugs um I was never caught I had I had this confidence you know because of the drugs the problem was uh I didn't have any confidence without him you know so who is the real Dory I didn't really even know who I was until I come to the Lord honestly so tell me more about like so you guys went to church with the mailman what was that like how did that with the painter yeah the painter sorry um well it was my first time in church um besides going to a Catholic Church once which I didn't remember being in that church but this time uh it was the Pentecostal Church and I sat on the front row and my brothers were sitting next to me and there was uh like four women standing there and playing tambourine and then there was the piano and all and I started shouting and told the woman that was with the tambourine miss me miss me it's me Dory she was my music teacher in school and so the guy that brought us to church ran over to us and told me if I would quiet then he would bring me to McDonald's after church and but then he would bring us like once a week and I remember seeing a picture of Jesus and and thinking well he must be real when that was that you know I uh the Lord didn't start really dealing with me till later on in life so when did they start dealing with you oh I was 15 and um I was really distraught because we we uh we did a lot of fighting in my life my parents were fighting a lot at that time they um just seemed like there was always fighting going on and I wanted it to stop and so I got down on my knees in my room and I did all what I knew to do and so that was just get on your knees and put your hands like this and say Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus and then I'd say our father who are in heaven Hall be the name th kingdom come thy will be done because that's all I knew um but two weeks later then the gospel was introduced to me and I heard um about accepting the Lord and um I accepted the Lord at age 15 at a a gospel meeting and up until that point um my parents always told us that being born again was of the devil and uh so I said to myself at that meeting I'll I'll accept the Lord but I won't uh be born again well I went to go do those same drugs and I did not get affected by them uh I know some people love real struggles that last for years but God put some Christians in my path and he totally completely delivered me of drugs miraculously um cigarettes not so much that took a lot longer I smoked from the time I was 12 until the time I was 20 and so but um yeah God is the great deliverer I have so much confidence in God because he's done so much for me but he had to prove himself to me because I didn't know him at all and he um he dealt with me back then when I was 15 first so we were looking at a phone and there seual people out there seual people I look like I looking in the mirror well that kind of funny there's people that are there hi everyone so start dealing with you said the uh when I was 15 the Lord started deal with me and I was so I brought home some gospel tapes from that meeting and I started praying and but my my parents told me don't that I couldn't go to church anywhere except for a Roman Catholic church and uh so that was that I didn't go to church but I prayed and I read my Bible um and I brought my Bible to school and I told people about Jesus and on lunch break and every other break went outside and have cigarette so yeah um I needed more of God so you said that you were able to CIT all the other drugs almost immediately you so you quit cold turkey how how did that work um easy I went to smoke marijuana I went to take uh my speed and they didn't have any effect I'm not kidding I felt as so as I do now I have a lot more happiness right now than I did doing drugs like not even a comparison what was it like quitting uh quitting cigarettes how did you quit those cigarettes um I started to backslide by the time I was 17 and so um when it come time to quit cigarettes uh I had I had rededicated my life when I was 20 and I um and it was like Wow God's going to not have me be a Christian and keep smoking these cigarettes I just knew that that wasn't going to be a part of it so uh it was it was a really difficult time in my life I was in hospital um and I started just rebuking the cigarette literally like in jesus' name you know I rebuke you and then just smoked it you know until they went away but um yeah just they're somewhere in the past I don't even know where they went but I had to take a stand that hey I'm not that's not going to be a part of my life by God's grace I'm delivered with smoking and um I had to take being in a hospital and and going through a lot of difficult times [Music] um you're the interviewer Dr what kind of uh what kind of hospital is I was in a mental hospital I had had what they called a nervous breakdown I was um 20 um I yeah so kind of a long story so before I know I know you met dad at 17 where were you at with God when you were 17 before you met that when I was 17 my friend told me about this fella that was uh sensitive enough that he could cry and it was it was okay like he didn't think it was unmanly my day on Macho so anyway that interested me and um so he was daun Roman Catholic and when I met him we got along really good and talked a lot and then the subject began to be wrong God and when it did I told him that the Roman Catholic Church was the mother in the Book of Revelation I was confident of that I had read that at least that's what I felt that God was showing me and uh I told him that because we started talking about God and who' you tell that I tell that I told that to Dad first day we met the first met yeah really and he was St Catholic and he looked at me and he said you need to recant from that or this relationship is done right now on the day you met yes there's no relationship you just met well we had chemistry I'll just have to put it that way like we liked each other right away I don't know why so you say chemistry what is chemistry I felt like um other guys that you were with before what was different with Dad well Dad reminded me of a man that was very kind to me when I was real young uh so and he he was a gentleman he introduced a new word to me called self-control because I had grown um you know I was I was not very um socially acceptable MH you know so but he was a lot of neat things he was a jock you know he was a farmer he was like really smart and I liked him I really liked him what was it like meeting him so anyway after he said we can't I said okay I take that back and that was the beginning of my backsliding at 17 yeah I ended up in a mental institution at 20 we had gone together for like three years but we broke up a few times why did you break up why would you break up with that why would you break up with Dad why um well uh we I guess it was other guys there were some other guys I was interested in I didn't really know what I wanted and um yeah so we broke up every now and then but why did you break up with that he had all kinds of girls CHS and him uh and he was a lot older than me and so he could go to the bars and I couldn't go to the bars cuz I was young and so I couldn't really hang out with them and so I got real jealous I said forget that so you were 17 and he was 24 24 mhm interesting okay interesting so you what was it like when you first met him what was your first impression like you heard so you heard about Dad before you met him yeah I did I didn't know that yeah a friend of ours she was my maid of honor in our wedding Mary Johnson and uh yeah he was seemed like tell you he was a lot better person than me and and uh I just had this tough exterior when I heard that he felt like crying was okay for guys you know I felt like he was sensitive and and I heard about his college majors he was a business and Psychology major and I thought that was really cool so yeah we talked and we really hit it off his parents uh were in World War II my parents were in World War II we were both raised in big families so we had a lot in common so chemistry how would you explain that how would a girl or a guy how would we know when we meet somewhere with them what are some signs that you know you've got that you know Dorian cren and Tom cren chemistry well it's it's it's so cliche like you feel like you couldn't um go on without that person or like whenever you're with that person it feels like at home uh and it's not like um it's it's it's just not the same as other people that makes sense I don't know how to explain that meeting Dad what was what was dad like how dad was 24 what was dad like very athletic very funny um yeah so uh how how does he compare compared to Josh Thomas and I like what was the similarities what were the differences E I don't know how to go there I don't understand I answer that okay what what was he uh let's see how tall is that when you met the same height or he was a Parky what we called and he U worked at the Green Bay Park system and he had invited that day um break dancer to come and perform for all the kids so you had like 30 or 40 kids hang around the area where he worked and how old were the kids the break dancer didn't show up how old were the kids so the female side of me was alerted and I'm like man I got to help this guy out so all the kids were like teenagers oh nice so the first day we met we had all these teenagers wanted to be entertained so you guys are already already taking care of kids before you the day you met you already taking care of a bu met uhhuh and I was a gymnastics teacher at the why and you were a I I never knew you a gymnastics teacher well that's what I was doing at that time you were a gymnastics teacher yeah ver seven and 8ye old so anyway he had some moves and um we we did all these tumbles and all these things to entertain all these children like together the first day we met yeah um uh yeah when when uh there's chemistry there's just chemistry I don't know how to put it any other way you just like you just feel like that's someone you could live the rest of your life with I don't know that makes sense it totally does okay that's awesome I never knew I never knew you were a gymnastics teacher what other uh what other like I've heard dad say several times that you could just about roller skate backwards faster than he could forwards and like you beat everybody in like every single athletic competition there was just about so like what was what there was there truth to that or what was uh bomb like when she's younger with Athletics well um I always felt like I wanted to win um whenever I signed up for sports or signed up for anything when I was 15 I was Ved I was voted most outgoing in my class because I went out for everything so I played on a lot of different sports team and what was the question again uh what were what was your athletic life like um I was very competitive I was extremely competitive and um um I went to state for track I went to state for acting um and you know I got awards for those things uh and I just I don't know I had ribbons and I love to compete I love to push myself and and um and uh I think it had stemmed from an upbringing of really not knowing god and um so I don't know I just I I I did um Sports and we did really good and then when I come to the Lord I I didn't have any confidence in the flesh anymore I took every bit of the awards um I took my sash for the Miss teenager Wisconsin I took my graduation offit I took my ribbons my trophy um you know for sports and all and threw it away literally threw it away um and and now I I have peace now I know love and back then in them Sports days there wasn't any um uh there it it's it's just not me I mean you know God had different plans for me um and then at age 20 when I rededicated my life to the Lord I gave uh I gave my life to lordon and I said in myself oh I'm just going to be an actress for the Lord I ended up in a manal institution you were in college for that so God didn't have it God wouldn't have it so you were in college I went to college I went to college when I was 18 to be an actress what was that like it was very empty I did a lot of drinking in those days and um acting I uh stemmed from uh my childhood I wanted to be an actress uh at an early age because my mom uh lost a baby in a fire and she was never able to talk with me about it and I was close to her um so that bothered me and I felt like acting would help me to understand people enough to where I could you know maybe understand my mom more because it was a real burden for us there were two house fires my family suffered and they lost everything in it and in one of them they lost their son you know their brother um so that always intrigued me as a child and that's why I wanted to be an actress to be able to relate to people basically and not nothing fulfills that more than being a Christian because you know a Christian when you see him like almost right away and so um God's God's given me a lot of confidence in him I know I I have the victory in him if I'm not in him there's no Victory if I'm not in him just expect trouble because that's what comes next we've seen a lot of people go uh towards the things of the Lord then denounce them and their lives get ruined time and time again um so uh The Grateful thing that we can be for we can all be grateful for having our right Minds we can all be grateful for serving the lord um go ahead you have any questions I was going to add one thing keep going oh I was thinking about it before the live and so no need to pray for me uh throughout my lifetime I had four concussions one when I was six one when I was eight one when I was 19 and one when I was like 53 what happened with that side oh uh I got hit in the head with the baseball bat when I was six it was an accident my brother hit me in the head no and then when I was eight I decided I was going to go down a railing and at the bottom of the railing was a concrete slab I landed at the on the top of my head on the concrete slab then uh see every time I every time I think about it whenever you get out of the will of God then you get in trouble like when I was 53 and I had a concussion I said you know I'm going to take my my little niece out and we're gonna we're all going to go roller skate and we're going to have a good time because she has to go back to public school and that's hard for her no this is all my puny little brain I ended up with a concussion that night and I am not going roller skating without a helmet ever so uh yeah and you know In the Flesh we can have no confidence no yeah it just doesn't work but when we know God's for us nothing can be against us so I'm really grateful for the victory what about the other my life because of God see was a sixy old and old about 1953 oh in 19 um when I was 19 I was working at a a um a supper club and I was helping somebody in the back shut a window and when um it shut the the the the frame didn't fit and and so it was shut real fast and the glass broke in my face um so yeah ended up with like 22 stitches on my face other and uh that was just a year after being Miss teenager Wisconsin and uh but they're happened to be a plastic surch at the emergency room and did all the stitches and everything that's great oh what was the question I keep forgetting who is this someone's requested to join I don't know who they are I don't know who that is okay um yeah the question was uh what how did you get the concussion how about the other concussion the one you're were 53 what was that again roller skating oh yes and I was skating sideway ways and all a sudden I woke up and people was asking me questions and my skates were off and I was like where do my skates go oh I remember that yeah I got knocked into like 15 minutes later in my life yeah what let's see so then you got of course married to dad what was it let's go back to when you uh when you in the midal hospital and then didn't dad visit you when you were there yes and I'm guessing that's say you broke up with that then you went insane uh you the only way you can pick up with that is if you were insane the one well I was serving the lord and I I saw some burden that I had I saw some need that I had so I decided to take the burden on myself I stopped eating and drinking for three days straight that's why I ended up in the mental institution yikes but you know I saw a couple Visions uh which were were from God for real and so um yeah so then you've got uh dad visiting you what was it like getting back together with Dad why did you get back together with that you broke up with him well this is how that happened um he started coming to the church that I was going to when I was 20 my brother was going to United Pentecostal church and so I decided to go with him and I rededicated my life to the Lord and um about four months later uh Tom started coming and nobody like there was 150 people or so and uh at my house I was um not being treated very well so physically and uh I did not want to get beat up anymore so I had to move out and um uh my um friend Sister Mary dwarte was going to the United Pentecostal Church then she was in the message but she didn't talk about it she was just a light I I had respect for her and for her testimony ever since I knew her and um so I asked her could I come live with her and when I did uh things started happening a lot to where uh people like would uh there was people getting the holy ghost in her Sunday School classes uh some of the other people the adults would be calling her day and night for advice and you know they just it just seemed strange but she had something that I felt like I wanted and I had come out of the medal institution I was a wreck um I couldn't hardly walk um I I went cold turkey off of those meds because I said if God can deliver me from street drugs he certainly can deliver me from Nerf bills so I went cold turkey off those and then uh ched to shake from head to foot all day long for like weeks and uh I had acne from here to hear but you know I had God yeah and uh so I was living with sister Mary and uh Tom had been coming to the church and and uh he's got his own testimony about all that which you would like to hear I'm sure but one day um I can't remember who started the conversation but uh we started talking about Tom Sister Mary and I did and and I said uh I said there's this friend that I I know and he he like you know Tom he's at church oh yeah I know Tom oh well he we used to go out and uh he's still my friend but um you know it seems like everywhere I go he's there and and so she was like well who is he I said well we used to go out and and and we're friends and but I didn't want him to be in the way of me coming to God so like nobody at church knew we knew each other cuz he would sit at one end and I would sit at the other end like my brother that was about the only person who knew we knew each other W and then Sister Mary so she's like H so you know this guy needs your friend yeah she's likew do you like him and I said no and she's likew do you love him and I said yeah and she said she said would you marry her and I said [Laughter] [Music] never see um let's see why' you say never I think it was that year we got married why' you say you'd never married dad because I was a Christian I had been kaput like my whole attitude was done with everything of the world in the world you know and I I didn't want nothing if it wasn't thus sayeth the Lord and so I certainly wasn't going to be married all the guys and all the trouble that they bring I didn't want nothing to do with them yeah you miss of Wisconsin at one point tell us about that then I'll ask you about went that proposed to you oh okay um so we had gotten a a uh notification that there was going to be this pageant and so uh Tom like whether I was going with him or not we always remained friends uh and I asked him what did he think I should do and he said you should join it and then I asked my mom and she said yeah you can do that so um how old were you I was 18 uh and um so there was something to fill out um and then you mailed it in and then they chose you from your picture and your interest and stuff like that well um when I went down there there was a talent um part of the competition so when I did what I knew from acting I won a scholarship for acting and modeling at the New York Academy you w a scholarship for acting and modeling New York at the New York Academy of theatrical art of theatrical art uhuh in Brooklyn on Broadway wow civia says I've been waiting for a live with [Music] her my wish from last night has come true so a scholarship from New York y I did not know that yeah it used to be Fame if any you 80s Buffs out there no it was that that show there used to be a show on that very very Academy and they called it Fame I won a scholarship to there so that a scholarship there for acting and modeling and modeling yeah because I just did my piece over in um CMI Florida it was the first time I flew and I did by myself we went down to Florida we went to um Disney World and got to meet all the other Miss Virginia Miss Florida Miss Maryland all that can you give us uh Olivia Clint says let's see someone says I love her Joy says I'm also so excited to meet her too I love you too Olivia says wow can she give us acting tips mom you have some acting tips for us um acting tips you'll have to ask the Pharisees be like for like in a play or whatever like your training all that yeah and I'm not doing good tonight um but you should have stage presence like you should at all times know what I was taught anyway like your relationship or your uh perception of the audience and when you go to deliver whatever it is you're supposed to say it should be projected so that the audience can can get it um um and then um I break this rle all the time but when you walk don't make the floor stomp I break that every time I watch the way you do that is you put your toe first first oh your toe first okay I don't know um acting lessons ask sister Sally Duke no she has got something going there she is very talented she could tell you a lot about acting um how did you become the Miss te Wisconsin well how did how is that set up see guys when I tell you Mom is the prettiest girl in the world I really mean it no that's for sure I'm not um but one thing is that the the god of the universe had a plan for my life and know I was so grateful that he allowed me to to serve him I I'm I'm so grateful that I'm Little Miss Jesus and Olivia uh C says sorry I might be joining a little late how long did you did Mom go to acting school did she use the scholarship no not very long I was in uh wgb for a year and that's when I studied my acting um I never took the scholarship my uncle who um got a great story in himself uh he told me that I could get my money for that scholarship since I didn't take it but I won't uh and uh okay this was the thing uh the it was not the Lord's will for me to do anything with that part of my life uh for him that I know of up to this point because um uh what was I going to say now sorry you're fine keep going keep going the drink so oh whenever it was time for me to be a part of the acting there was a there was a um like at the college there was a a newspaper on our college and they they did an interview about me being Miss teenager Wisconsin and so I was interviewed by them and then the uh acting instructor it was doing uh Snow White in the Seven Dwarfs uh uh I of course tried out for different parts and none she there was none that she gave me like I didn't even get a part at all in it at all and then it was like H wow you know but I was that was at the time where I was back said also and so it did not work for me also um one thing that kind of sort of helped me to step back from that type of Lifestyle was uh in the acting class they practiced Zen and it always just totally rubbed against me I I just I couldn't go there with their imagination things and so uh it I I I wasn't meant to be an actress see I always wanted to just be real Joyce says you should do more lives with your mom Olivia clean says have you ever thought about writing or directing Church skits so um actually I'm very grateful uh for what the Lord's allowed me to do we had uh Sunday School in our church that um you know I was I was part of and and I you know I kind of felt like uh God was leading me towards things in in the Sunday School um but as far as um writing and skits and producing and stuff like that I could help out I think but I never I never felt led to you know go that way I I have an idea of something that goes on in my brain my mother was an artist and every time in Walnut Ridge when we would talk about my mother and having 16 children they would call her a saint like that immediately made her a saint because she had 16 kids but anyway actually her true heart hearts was an artist and so like we have um I believe I believe God could use me somehow but I haven't really felt that interesting M let's see Miss Miss te Wisconsin that's awesome what what was that like exactly how exactly did you get that what's the secret oh I don't know I just have no idea um I'm grateful um that I lived through it I have pictures of it I'm not real um proud of them were you with Dad during that time no oh you had broken up with them yeah what did I break up with that what was uh let's see so from then on you got back together with Dad after you got out of the hospital sister Mar what made you get back together with Dad and you guys were in opposite sides of the church pretending like you didn't know each other because you broke up with the greatest Bachelor of all time our my dad yeah oh uh so how did we get back together is that what you said yeah how' you guys get back together okay so we had that conversation with sister Mary and then um we I mean I had that conversation with sister Mary and then I went to uh um uh a school what's it called a technical college and I learned how to be a teller at a bank um I didn't know that yeah in St Paul Minnesota in St Paul Minnesota I was the impression you were in Wisconsin your whole life yeah I it was huge for me to leave that far away from the house for four hours to get there it was huge and do you still know how to be a bank taer yeah I could figure with numbers a little bit I don't know I probably wouldn't be able to work in a bank today interesting um so you went to technical school you're becoming a bank teller and uh you getting on the process of getting back with that at that time I was saved and um I asked God what did he want me to do with my life and I felt like he was leading me to get married but I didn't know to who so I prayed uh I prayed and I said Lord I don't have enough time in my schedule to pray about this getting married and it's the second most important decision of my life uh I just need some time and in the school I was going to it was it was I stayed Technical College and it was actually a job core which they teach you skills in like a year or two and um so that's where I was and in the Job Court you can't leave you have to um go to school and you know you can be on vacation and go see your family and that type of thing but you live on campus and and that type of thing and so uh you know you have to um overdose be caught selling drugs get pregnant you know you know really bad stuff in order to leave because for some kids it was a place they would go before they would have to go to jail in my case I wanted to do something for the Lord and I prayed about I put a fleece before the Lord and I believe he led me to just go there I wasn't actually in trouble like a lot of the kids around me so whenever it was time to um go there and learn uh I felt the Lord leaded me to be married and uh so uh I I start to pray and I was like I don't know who Lord um did you come to the message of before or after you were married after I was married okay cool because someone just put in in the live I just I joined late from John mod I think are from Fred some things whoever it is I apologize if this question was already asked answered but how did you come to the message so keep going with what you were once oh okay so anyway uh so how dad and I got back together was uh there was this one fellow that was interested in me and he uh asked me out for coffee and then uh dad was interested in me he asked now out for coffee I and like I didn't know who the Lord wanted me to marry but I felt like I was supposed to get married in my life and uh so I woke up one morning and I I asked the Lord could I go to the Sick Bay and when I and so I I I did I went there and I did the same thing I did when I was eight years old I faked being sick and how you do that is you burp on yourself like you start burping and and like you swallow some air and then you burp you swallow some air and then you bur and then your temperature is a little bit elevated if there's any kids watching don't try that at home no but really that's what I did I did the same thing I did when I was a kid and I got to the Sick Bay and like you had to have a temperature of 102 you know or to not go to school or you know be caught dealing drugs or doing something really bad for you not to be able to go to school there so anyway um I went in I felt as fine as they do now but my temperature was 102 said Thank You Lord now I have all day to pray I'm going to be in sick babe but I'm going to pray so when I prayed I felt like the Lord said command ye me and I read it in the Bible where it said in Isaiah so I told the Lord whoever it is that's supposed to be my husband is going to be my husband they're my husband like their role is already like predestined and I know that they're going to be the leader of our family so Lord let him be whoever he is whether this guy that was interested in me or Tom uh let him take control of our family so I went out for coffee with this other fella and then the next time I went off for coffee with my husband well he was we weren't engaged or anything and um before then I have to go back now in my story before then I was still praying about getting married and who to marry and that type of thing uh I went back home to visit and I said Lord whoever else wants to marry let him show up in a brown suit three three men showed up in a brown suit that were right around my age and so that didn't work out anyway I went over to uh St Paul and went over and prayed and I said whoever it is supposed to be the leader of my home let him be the leader of my home right now so the first fell was talking to me about being under the umbrella of the church you know UPC and all this so I was like H H and then I went out with Tom and we came back and uh have to go back to my story again sorry so when I was praying about who to marry and the three fellas showed up in the brown suits at church one of them was Dad but then it was like uh he I'm sorry I'm I'm I'm getting embarrassed so uh I ask the Lord for that oh he asked asked me to marry him that's what it was my husband asked me to marry him when I was back in Green Bay well when I came back uh for coffee with this other guy I didn't understand that once you commit to marrying someone that you're basically married and I didn't I had no idea that you couldn't say no or like back out of it so I thought I still had that option so when I went back to St Paul and dad took me off for coffee he was I guess like up to here with it and he said uh well I'm getting married on such and such a date at 7:30 and you can be there if you want to he was basically uh taking leadership of our home and that right then and there I knew that was who the Lord wanted me to marry W what uh how did he propose to you how he proposed to me was very quaint uh we had uh we had a lot of history you know we knew each other really well and we went to the UPC uh parking lot and he just he we were driving around and he just because we would do that we would just drive around and talk and stuff and and then he said um he D he he stopped at that parking lot and he he said I have to ask you something he said will you marry me and he did he have a ring he had a ring and he had a a a beautiful frame of uh like a painting by Fisher that that was called The Proposal cool and he gave me that too so he gave me the ring I said sure sure sure and then we I went back to St Paul and then I I said uh wait a minute now who supposed to what no you know like I was I got got confused and so then that's when I prayed um for more time to pray and faked being sick and then got a leading of the Lord command ye me and my my heart's desire was whoever it is going to lead our family it's going to lead our family now and know so but in the meantime he was uh being persecuted one of the trips I made back from uh St Paul to Green Bay was uh was a total life Cher because um the pastor called Sister Mary the leader of a cult in front of the whole church and um people were saying bad things about brother brandom in the church like and so then it came to me and the pastor asked me what I thought about the message yeah and I had no idea about it I said all I know is cuz because uh well all I know is that the main thing is saving Souls that's what I'm concerned for is Souls being saved that that was my whole purpose as a Christian and I wanted that more than anything and I I didn't know about the message I Sister Mary didn't say anything because of um an oath she had taken uh not to mention brother brandom but somehow someone in the church found out that she was in the message and and they basically kicked her out for being in the message and um then uh your dad excuse me of course he stood for the message um he barely knew anything about it but he did not speak against it that day it was one brother that spoke against it and handed up his life was in a wreck after that uh and so and then when they were calling Sister Mary the leader of a cult my stomach was killing me it was it was like the scripture says dagers in your stomach when there's tail bearing going on so it was really bad time and um I didn't know about the message um we had no pastor of the message in the area of Green Bay but this is what happened I'm going to go into what when I come into the message so um Sister Mary and I have always been closed and of course I lived with her and we would do Bible studies I would go to the church and pray in the morning and come home and her and I would talk about what I felt like the Lord was showing me and then we would talk about the Bible and and that sort of thing and um so when uh when we had uh a need of a pastor we we we were meeting in Sister Mary's home um there was a tongues and interpretation that we would get one and so then uh A call came from a brother in uh Lawrence Michigan and he was an evangelist but he felt led to help our group in Green Bay so he came over from Michigan to actually manit to walk and then um um I wasn't sure about the message at that time I had read a few things in the footprints on the sand of time book I wanted to know about brother brandom's life um I knew that if his life was right the doctrine would line up and I wasn't worried about any false doctrines or anything like that except for my friends from the Pentecostal Church were like warning me that it was a false Doctrine and it was and it was like kind of scary um but I I knew God God would take care of me so then uh Sister Mary said she had like a vision where uh the Lord would put stuff in me and then I would go over to the United Pentecostal church and they' tip me upside down and all that stuff would come out and and so I was really going through and I didn't know what Doctrine would be correct because both the United Pentecostal church and Sister Mary was using the same scripture to prove what they believed in well my husband never he's always been a gentleman and he never pushed me towards the message at all being able to explain it or nothing like that um we would listen to tapes and in like a supernatural thing for the evil I would fall asleep like the tape would go on and out I was like out the tape would go on and I would be like falling asleep right then and there every time and so I like didn't know about the message but one day I was driving around and I asked the Lord what was right what was the truth was it the United Pentecostal Church was it the message and then I I prayed that whatever truth it was that delivered me from drugs twice would continue to direct me and Lead Me and guide me and and show me what the truth was so I thought I had come up with it by myself and I said Lord show me through the six which is called Faith then I'll know what's true whether it be the message or the United Pentecostal Church I asked the Lord to show me through the six sense which is called faith I thought I made that up totally and then we had our first service and I found out I was wrong we went um and listened to Brother Davis for the first time and he said like first thing he come I can feel the anointing of God when he come walking up to the pulpit and when he uh started preaching he first thing he talked about was Faith being the six sense and I said wow he wasn't in the car with me when I was crying out to the Lord so I knew then that the message was true but I didn't understand it I still didn't understand it I just knew that that was the Lord and I believe the message without understanding it so you're married with Dad or to Dad and then um you're in in the message then and whose Church you guys go to from that on yeah was brother um Charles Davis he is uh he's brother um Gerald hughes's father-in-law that was our first Pastor yeah brother Davis he was in brother bram's meeting and he said said that the first 5 minutes of his preaching he said why ain't I up there preaching but then after the first five minutes he knew why he was the one sitting down learning and why brother Brandon was the one preaching CU he recognized it back then see hold on hold on wait when did she break up with your dad and why let going back but when did you break up with that and why this was we're talking right now is past where Mom and Dad are married um and they're in the message now at this point in the story but uh yeah I didn't I didn't know the Lord um I didn't have the Holy Ghost when I knew uh like when I was dating my husband when I was dating my boyfriend Tom and and he had a lot of interest from a lot of other women and in Green Bay the whole culture is built around drinking basically my culture from people I know and stuff and so uh he was older he could go out to the bars and you know all the women got to see him got to be with them and I was not able to because I was too young sometimes I would sneak and go to the bars but um so I was jealous basically is why we broke up but did he express interest towards them or did he really just like you or yeah of course he did he was a a sinner saved by grace same as everybody um but yeah we we couldn't we couldn't have a good relationship actually until we both come to the Lord and uh but yeah it was definitely God I have my soulmate I can have confidence in God because I prayed about my soulmate and in all reality I asked God would he make the choice for me to get married would he please just choose whoever I'm supposed to marry because it's too big of a choice for me and I left it completely up to God and then I heard command ye me and so then I was like well if he's going to be husband he's going to be husband even before we're married and so let him take control of the family or life you know the the house everything before we got married and then he went out for coffee with me and he said um well Dory I'm getting married this time this place you can be there if you want and I I saw that as God showing me that that is the leader of my home so you're married the message what was the next big thing that happened we had a baby what was that like uh it was wonderful I was very grateful there was a lot of support from both of our families um yeah we're really really glad um we were very careful um I only had so much caffeine and I made sure exercise and you know we try to do everything like we're supposed to yeah well it was fun it was great we have some good testimonies from that time yeah um someone quick question someone asked you bring your being a pastor's wife what is the most challenging thing you've had to Fe face or deal with I say um and I don't mean to be where um I'm trying to include David but honestly uh one of the hardest things that I dealt with as a pastor's wife was part of the congregation not accepting my children and that sounds trivial but this was the situation so there was a couple and their daughter that came and they uh uh like whenever the child cries uh my children I would bring them somewhere else not have them in the sanctuary um they would start at 8 months old every single one of ours by God's grace uh we would teach them how to sit still so that when we would go to church they were used to sitting still at times in their life and so uh David was like three and Thomas was one when we first began pastoring here in Tennessee and David had um started to do this and service you know yeah like that and I take him out you know and I wouldn't discipline him but of course he's the baby so he's going to make noise and so that's the way it was and then Thomas was the goer like he if I set him down I couldn't just turn around he'd be gone he and he was like that since he was born he was just always on the move and so he'd be found you know like underneath the queue a couple rows up or whatever so these things and and then literally literally I'm talking literally these things not not them misbehaving not them stomping on people's feet are doing something bad but just these babies I had David was three Thomas was one and David fell asleep in church oh okay those three things those were the complaints the the the Thomas walk crawling around and then David sleeping in church when I was one no three when I was three yes complaining about me sleeping so they came up with a brother brand quot which uh I don't think they have enough confidence towards God or they just didn't remember when their kids were little or something anyway they said that if the C if the child's going to be loud in church you have to to take them and keep them home and um the good lord gave me some good jeans I'm Italian and Irish and my blood started to boil like my kids three in Oney old you're going to tell me to keep home with them at church not happening love you death my family of God but I am not going to do that for you or anyone they're my kids they're going to be in church with me what that was the hardest thing I think I ever went through that these people would persecute little kids like that I mean and then oh I was so mad if you ever listen to a brother brandom tape like in the background hey and um we lost our first baby so anytime a baby cries that's music to my ears it doesn't bother me any like unless it's you know total distress cry or something yeah so why they complain about me sleeping at 3 um that they're mad about me making no noise well not only that um my husband is the toughest man I know he was going through a lot like they would always have these meetings and then they would like he would be the the subject and then that's like everything wrong with him and he endured a lot from a lot of people and that was hard was this in mikad or um this was here in Tennessee many moons ago I see but um I was 3 years old and and then another difficult time when I was pastor's wife was um when we were first in texter can and my husband was called to be Pastor there I I I got to the point I I didn't want I it was nothing um that it was like a big stress for me or anything I just like did not want to accept that role like I told the Lord no in t Canada we were Pastor there family for like four years I said I don't want to do that nope don't want to do that so that was a hard time but when we moved here I told the Lord yes I would that would be fine God by God's grace been a pastor's wife and yeah so when it come to my kids that's that's one of the hardest times I think being a pastor's wife also um like there's great pastor's wives that I've had examples that I've seen through the years just great um Sister Janet Miller sister um Virginia Davis sister Sly Lightner sister um Vanessa Morris sister one need to catch and all of them just you know they had their peace in knowing what God wanted them to do and they did a good job as pastor's wife so I was grateful to have had them examples beforehand that's great what about your favorite part of being a pastor's wife um I believe it's just just um like innate like I don't have to think about it like um whenever it's time for people to come to our house and and visit that's like joyous like my heart leaps I'm just grateful and uh my brain goes scurrying into all different areas of the house like what can we put together to make sure everybody has everything they need and and I'm I'm just like this is my happy place at home so anybody that comes a visit and and um for us to put people up is just it's fun we like my my parents were in the antique business they held auctions we were used to um company U my dad had a business partner and and we had like people over a lot and so I watched my mom take care of them you know like everything they needed you know all my life that's how we were raised and so there it's been nothing I feel like it's always been a part of me to be to to uh you know have that Hospitality kind of thing going on yeah I'm grateful very grateful love being a pastor's wife um I think I guess the word was probably the best just knowing that you're in the word knowing that you're in Christ and you have a victory because of his victory and so you get to rest that's my favorite part yeah is my happy place being being home I'm grateful God's done a lot for me he's proven himself to me so much I was I was sick he healed me uh you know you just grow in confidence when things happen in the Lord not in yourself but in God yeah that's right I know when you uh go back to this when you first got married you got pregnant well within a month oh yeah yeah I got pregnant right away go through that story um so our first baby was due October 6th um like I said we did everything we knew to be healthy take good care that kind of thing um apparently the Lord felt like we didn't need to have a baby then because he took the baby home and he had uh maybe 45 seconds of of suffering in this life to which I'm grateful for but I feel like I miss him like I've never really met him except for I've got to hold him but and I feel like I don't really know him but I know him so we lost our first baby he's going to be uh Timothy James right yeah he was due October 6th um we got married December 26 um he died so he came September 21st got to gravestone everything in Wisconsin form too yeah and in our hearts we were grateful because God allowed our families once and for all to hear the gospel we come from a long line of Catholics and you always want to make sure that they're saved because you know you pretty much know what lost is after you've been saved and you so in our hearts we were settled and in our minds that they they heard the gospel once and for all you know our pastor Brother Davis he came to my husband and he said do you want me to preach a Baptist Candlelight sermon or do you want me to preach the gospel my husband told him let the dead bury the dead preach the gospel so yeah brother Davis fantastic it was wonderful didn't dad sing at Timothy's stre we were invited to sing but we didn't we didn't have the words um but my husband sang a special at church the service before and it was is you're all on the altar of sacrif actually your heart does the Spirit Fall can you tell us the story of one C sorry tell the story of when Dad saw Timothy in heaven dreamy had yeah we were um at Brother Don was no in wiscons and how long after uh during it's probably within a couple of weeks and um we stayed Saturday nights in maned to walk and we had Saturday night service and then Sunday morning service so um sometime during the day I think on Saturday my husband took a nap and he had a um he had an experience like he got he he all of a sudden he was in a really nice place um beautiful weather um just walking down this path and he saw a bunch of young people at a tree and one of them was leaned back was pretty tall it's like this and yeah like that and he looked like my brother Jerry and so and my husband walked up to the group of young people he looked at him and he said you're much too handsome to be my son and the young man jumped up he was sitting down with his hands back and he jumped up and he he hugged my husband and and in this experience or dream whatever it was and he said uh I love you Daddy and he gave him a hug and he could he woke up you know he came to or whatever it was and he could still feel just I know it's it's kind of cliche or whatever because brother BR but it was like he could still feel Timothy you know like that yeah you know Pat Hiser how let's see someone asks Olivia CLE asks I can't imagine how hard that was to experience the passing of your first child any child even what do you do to continue Timothy James memory well uh we were we were blessed a few years ago my sister Kathy visited us a while and um I didn't know she had lost a baby but she did and so we we made a cake together that was very special um I let Ruth off of school on Timothy's [Laughter] birthday so all the kids had they got his birthday they got his uh they got to be off of school his birthday throughout the years uh it's just a part of our testimony you know the doctor told us the baby was gone and in order to have more babies I had to go ahead and give birth and and and the lord gave us seven more babies so um you know Timothy and with uh you know when I found out Timothy had [Music] died I don't know why but uh I said I said the lord giveth and the lord taketh away blessed be the name of the Lord because my active mind in the back of it was like maybe the Lord will let the baby raise from the dead you know after it's born or something um but at that time we did just in heaven yeah we'll get to see him again we have a little treasure in heaven the uh quick marriage question someone says if you want to have a successful marriage I see having a successful marriage despite the challenges what advice do you have for new Lites when they disagree oh this was good advice I don't know if it's in the message or not but it helped me a lot uh the lady that introduced my husband and I that was my ma of Honor Mary Johnson she said when you have an argument is it going to matter in a hundred years from now that's helped me especially when I first got married well this argument right here is it is it worth having like will it matter in history will it matter in 100 years from now most likely not and then um actually his mother was alive when she found out we were going to get married she didn't make it to the wedding she passed first and she said her advice was and this is a mother of 13 children his mom and dad had 13 children she said help each other to make it to Heaven a Roman Catholic woman full of Faith she had a lot of faith that's good advice isn't it yeah it is help each other to make it to heaven so um those things have stuck with me through the years basically we love each other with Saturday's love ever since my husband's become a pastor seems like whatever's going to happen is going to be on Wednesday or Saturday night so we have a special love for those two times where we have I don't know like we're blind to mistakes like we Overlook almost everything that day knowing that it's just the devil trying to attack us so that when the word comes forth people's hearts will be changed and he hates that and so we just make things small matters especially on those two days and we'll say to each other I love you with Wednesday's love or I love you with Saturday's love like that so those a little bit of advice that that helps and don't go to bed angry right yeah actually his sister Barb told us not to ever go to bed angry yeah that's right see I'm going to change the order of these questions to flow better in the conversation Olia Olia C asks uh where they prior complications uh where you knew Timothy might not make it after birth um when um my doctor uh um I had a family doctor that was going to deliver Timothy but he was gone when I I went to labor so he didn't deliver Timothy but he said um you need to go to a specialist and he sent me to a specialist six days before Timothy was born and Timothy died five days before he was born so no there was nothing I could tell there was nothing um that said you know something's wrong um one thing I do believe the Lord helped me to prepare for that for him passing was uh my brother that died in a fire when I was when before I was born and I couldn't talk to my mom about it because she couldn't she didn't want to talk about it um it was a couple of days before I went into labor I was at my mom's house and I pulled out a photo album and it had an article of the fire that happened and the fire um you know it was there was a bunch of the picture in the paper was a bunch a bunch of rubble and then my dad was just looking over the rubble in the paper and um it just dawned on me what it was like to lose a baby for real like right then and there I like all of a sudden completely understood all the years why my mother would never talk to me about losing her Tommy that was my brother's name and I knew what it was like to lose a baby and I could not stop crying and she told me that you don't you don't need to cry it's okay don't cry about it and and so I just told her it was a good cry but I believe it was the Lord just to help me to realize what he was about to do yeah he was going to take the baby home and you know so that was really neat yeah let's say you don't have to answer those if you don't wish to is what Olivia said no it's all right I'll try to keep it dry here oh don't worry about that be as real as possible um it's all right oh I love you too honey yeah go Ahad sorry no go ahead was there a fear of losing the others the other ones after his passing like me and the other ones and that go to talking about when Anna was born the others well um no uh the fear that I had I I that I had to pray about was that my children wouldn't serve the Lord I know it's weird maybe but I prayed with all of them if they don't serve you just take them home they don't get to see him in heaven so you didn't have a fear that one of us pass away after Timothy no oh no absolutely not I know Anna tell us about when Anna was born I know that was traumatic I was kind of aloof you know how well some ladies might know how you are when you're in labor you're kind of aloof actually to what's going on around you sometimes so um when before Anna was born we again tried to just um be careful be real healthy that kind of thing the doctor that delivered an was my family doctor when I was growing up and he was a Japanese man his hands are smaller than mine he's a very small man wonderful man great doctor and uh that was one thing with all the children we all tried to make sure they were going to be good doctors what was the question again uh Anna being born what about that what was that like oh uh whenever it was time to have Anna here I'll ask this first what was the news like when you found out you were pregnant again with that was it a fear was it sad happy or whatever because you you just lost Timothy how long after Timothy did you you pregnant again Anna and Timothy were a year and a half apart so September 21st is when Timothy's birthday was huling after that were you pregnant with Anna nine months after Timothy was born that mean how long after Timothy uh to's birthday did uh did you get pregnant with Anna oh you're such a math geek sorry I can't really go there I don't like I don't know so but um one thing that happened uh after we found out I was pregnant with Anna we were going on uh down the road and it was a school zone there was two kids on the corner they both had backpacks and my husband slowed down and he looked in the riv mirror and said those kids are going to get hit and sure enough the car behind us hit those kids CU they were going fast like car was and oh I've seen that kid scramble it was terrible he scrambled off the road on his elbows cuz I think his like collar bone was broke or something his elbows and his feet and he's just like what's the context of this scrying off well it was right around that time I found out I was pregnant with Anna okay but who are the kids where are you driving and he ran my husband ran to the kid and started consoling him and he was sitting there this kid with broken bones from being hit by a car and we would that they were right there they were running or on bikes or what no they were walking they were walking they were just little kids and um he prayed over that young boy and calmed him down until his mother came and then we found out I was pregnant with Anna so um uh everything was going well and then uh we [Music] had it's just Sister Mary and sister Joan Bon langenberg with us and they they were kind of there kind of helping us just coaching but uh we had gone through laas and um tried to do all the breathing and everything and but at one point because the heartbeat was just getting lower um sister Joan told my husband this would be the time to pray brother Dom and he went in another room and he said he got as low as he could to the ground just with his face flat on the ground and just prayed and prayed to the Lord and he came back the heartbeat was getting better but um the baby was still in distress and uh they did an amniocentesis um what is that it measures the ner nerves of the baby uh to see I'm not sure exactly but they had to do some tests and um then there was it was getting closer to a time to have the baby and it was it was hard it was really hard and the Lord started comforting me and speaking to me and um at one point the doctor thought I may have passed and he ran over and he check my pulse but I was trying to just listen real hard to the Lord but the Lord told me that the joy I was going to feel later would be worth the pain I was going through now um she was born she had she had uh the cord wrapped three times around her neck when her face was shown before she was born if you can understand that um my husband it was like really bruised it was like um just dark very dark color uh my husband told the Lord this baby looks worse than the first one Lord and the nurse cried out this Baby's alive because they thought she had died too um he something told him you can trust these people and of course we we went to bring a camera but it wasn't there like we couldn't find her camera so my husband was like could you please take pictures and we did you know um and then she was born the doctor had uh a clamp and a scissors both in his one hand and cut the cord and pulled her out she broke her collar bone but before she was born there was very many difficulties uh and the Lord was speaking to me and at a certain time my my husband saw a figure just that he explained it as owned the air that that it was in and he said as that presence came uh the the nurse would cry then the doctor was crying there was another nurse crying and a a tape that my husband heard while brother brandom spoke came to him and and it said of of course that little lady over there is crying because she feels that presence and about that time Anna was born and like the whole room was erupted when she was born like they didn't think she was going to make it but she did and so they were crying and they were like really loud and the doctor came rushing up to your dad and uh to my husband and he said what religion are you he is Roman Catholic you know and um my husband could barely speak because of that presence and he said we're just Christians we're Christians and I saw at that time like I felt saw or kind of just con like understood that whatever it was that helped that doctor berth Anna left the room when it did it left through the window that's awesome and so then uh Joshua how what was it like with Joshua was it super hard too is it easier or um by that time uh there were some uh I'm trying not to calculate my words but I'm trying to say it right without sound stupid don't don't worry about it just speak words um if there is anything dumb I will take them off the narcotics it was easier with Josh because of the narcotics they give you local anesthetic type medicin so you had drugs ease the pain easier yeah yeah the E that was easier so but with Josh uh my when we lost Timothy my my doctor couldn't make it so there was another doctor that delivered Timothy and uh then I he was my he was my regular doctor the one that delivered Timothy when Josh was going to be born and um so it was time to have Josh and the doctor said uh healthy baby he was crying he said uh the placenta look look good it uh and he stopped talking and I was like what's up doc what what and he said um there is a tumor on this placenta and if you would have carried the baby to the time that I wanted you to carry the baby the baby would have died and what happened was um the doctor that delivered Josh went to my family doctor and said uh what should I do this this um this woman wants to have the baby when we first planned because my doctor come to me and he said you know the the due date is um we're going to induce the labor because we can't fully explain what happened to Timothy they induced Anna they induced Josh they induced all of them up until David and anyway uh when it was time to have the baby or almost time he said can we move it up can we go like on the other side of the holidays or before the holidays so that you know we don't have to do it on the holidays and I said I had already prayed and I had felt lad at the Lord to stay with the time frame and so then around the holidays for the for the um induction and so uh when Joshua was born there was a tumor on the placenta the size of a grapefruit and um the doctor said he would have died just like Timothy died if we would have waited so like the leading of the Lord gives you confidence the leading of the Lord is where you have to stay the leading of the Lord is the only thing that you can be in in order for these things to work out because the closest the woman ever comes to death is you know giving birth as far as yeah that physical part of it is really hard but see Ellie Rose I went to get together me and my friends were upstairs and we started playing our church music and then me and my friends started praising the Lord we were dancing in the spirit and praising him it was the best feeling ever well that's awesome Ellie very cool W I love those times that's great Ellie and then after that you had uh Amy what was Amy like um well uh I don't know what what what do you mean having the baby was it was she also like a tumor on the placenta or an angel walking through or oh EAS when before Amy was born um I was in church and I I felt a little something strange so I handed Joshua to a sister and I went in uh the bathroom excuse me and by the time I got to the back where the bathroom was there was blood sloshing in my shoes and I had started to miss Carrie Amy um and we'd never been through anything like that before um and my husband the pastor tapped him on the shoulder and he went in the back and so uh he was trying to just you know keep it together it was really hard because we thought we were losing the baby and um so he was crying a lot and something told him to get a hold of himself and brother Virgil Porter was preaching um was awesome message and instead of crying he just put his shoulders back and just went right back in listened to the rest of the message and for like 3 weeks you know I was laid up until I could get better yeah and then um it was it was pretty neat for Joshua and Anna to have a little sister it went really well and uh about we we were at that time helping a young man um he was going through a lot with his family and he had had his little girl with him and his wife was somewhere else and so in a different state and and so but he was staying at our house with this little girl and the little girl was about Anna's age so I was pregnant with Amy and then I mean I'm sorry uh I had had Amy Amy was like three weeks old and um my husband told me don't open the door for anyone because we didn't know this situation with this brother and you were babysitting someone too who could yeah we were we the brother was there and his little girl were there too and uh so it was after church we come home one night and was ready for some fellowship I was going to start cooking and somebody knocked on the door and I opened the door like this much and they broke in the house and stole that baby girl um they so it was it was I was freaked out um and my husband was in the back room um the brother called for my husband they both went outside those men that took that little girl Drew guns on my husband and the brother uh at that point my husband didn't know if it was Anna they had or that little girl or what was going on so they hopped in the car and they chased him away and you know like the news reported as a kidnapping well it was like a custody battle kind of thing but you know it wasn't all worked out and everything that's terrible yeah and so after that happened I blamed myself because which uh I I blamed myself and that was the first like huge mistake that I made and after Amy was born I blamed myself so much that it it it wasn't funny and I started to get depressed and I went through the postpartum depression thing and it was really difficult I just about I just about didn't make it thanks so my dad the guy chased him outside and then they put the guns at him and then drove away and did Dad Dad his friend ever catch him or what no they brought the little girl back to the different state where the mom was so they stopped chasing the yeah when it came yeah yep I see when it came to crossing the border into the other state it just like they just they didn't do it um but anyway I blamed myself for everything opening the door open the door when I was told not to and I had heard all kinds of just like the wrong information like I went down a really dark path um I I started to blame myself for everything and pretty soon I was almost nonfunctional I stopped eating I stopped sleeping I um I didn't have a bit of like strength on my own um I was just going through the motions like my spirit was really in Dire Straits and so after Amy was born um I went through that for about a year and my husband was real desperate he asked his Pastor what to do his Pastor said go on over here to this other Church see if you can get your help get help for your wife over there and um so once a week we would go over to this other church and then um one of the brothers at our church knew uh the telephone number of brother Billy Paul and um my husband called him and brother Billy Paul answered the phone they talked a while he asked he asked my husband do you believe she's from the Lord he said of course and he said then don't don't let anybody tell you any different CU they were telling him I was serpent seed all this blah blah you know like from our church people were telling him all this stuff and so he didn't know what to do so he called brother Billy Paul brother Billy Paul said never another negative testimony don't receive anything that you you know is against what the Lord told you about her so um it was a few months later uh we were um what we were going to this other church and we sat down with the pastor and his wife and that thing that was making me blame myself broke and I was delivered and uh God restored me I have so much confidence towards God because he's done these things for me um he's delivered me so so many times and I laughed because I knew it was me that got me into trouble me holding hands with the devil you know just it could have been avoided but so um my husband has a great testimony from this time um just before I started to feel really good and a lot better um the Lord spoke to him and told him uh go to brother Billy Paul and my husband said to the Lord who am I to go to a prophet's son he said and encourage him and show him what the Lord's done for your family and um my husband was like but I don't know what to say I I can't go to a prophet's son and and what am I what am I going to say and so the Lord said tell him what the Lord's done for you and your family and tell him that he was just about to eat fish when you called called him so we packed up our kids and we went to Jeffersonville and um they were in the old building at that time brother Billy Paul was coming downstairs and there was I mean like if any ofbody of you has been at a rock concert where you have Wall to--all people you're literally shoulder toosh shoulder with everyone like there's people pressing against you because there's so many people that's how it was it was extremely crowded and brother really Paul was coming back from where brother B's office was before or anyway from upstairs where he was he was coming downstairs and like there was people all around we just were a little family and and so my husband knew that the Lord told him to speak to brother Billy paaul he's like how am I going to get to brother Billy Paul so uh we were standing there and we were like I I don't know 30 feet from the bottom of the stairs and brother Billy Paul was at the top of the stairs and all these people were around but my husband said just he raised his voice and he said brother Billy Paul and the whole place got quiet after my husband yelled at brother Billy Paul and then brother Billy Paul looked at us he said yes brother he said I have something to tell you and so brother Billy Paul made his way downstairs and um uh he my husband said you know my family was going through so much because my wife was so sick and we we we weren't sure whether she was going to make it but I called you and do you remember me when I called you brother Billy PA he said I'm sorry brother I get so many calls and I'm I'm sorry I really just don't remember your call he said but my husband said but you will remember this you were right about to eat fish when I called you for supper and brother Billy Paul took both of his arms and my husband and I and he went like this and he just drew Us in really close and he goes oh Lord and he started crying and praying to the Lord and I was crying and he just he just prayed for us he was like we're going to all all be at your feet Lord Jesus so grateful for all these testimonies and we're going to be at your feet Lord Jesus just thanking you for all you've done and um he just he he just when he found out it was right before he ate fish for supper he just went he went and he grabbed us like we were just long lost family or something that was awesome awes and then uh um we had gone to to uh the Expo Center where um Brother Joseph was this was months before then before we met with Brother Billy Paul uh it was before I actually got sick and um we were at the Expo Center where they had the get together where all the people ate and all the Brand family held um the dinner and there was like thousands of people and there was like cloth covered tables cloth napkins just a beautiful setup and then you would go through the line and sit down at your table um and so when we had uh gone through the line like all the family of brother Brams was there serving the food and then we sat down and Brother Joseph had things he needed to say so he was saying them and um it occurred to me at that point God let a prophet an actual Prophet be on the earth while I was on the earth and to me that was amazing um I don't know it just occurred to me and I was grateful and so I looked over at my husband and I said wouldn't it be something if Brother Joseph came and shook my hand you know and um we have a friend and he he like he when he was with us there he kept he always like watched Brother Joseph and he said Brother Joseph stop talking he made a beine like straight to me like many yards away and he came straight to me walked around my husband tapped me on the shoulder I looked it was Brother Joseph I started screaming I couldn't believe that right after I would say that maybe Brother Joseph would would he shake my my hand there he was wanting to shake my hand he tapped me on the shoulder I'm like wow this is awesome so I mean God did that and um later on that year I got sick um after Amy was like a few weeks old and so I remember being in my lowest point and thinking but I went through that you know but all I did was mention it to my husband and then there it was God answering my prayer so um see I thought I had what they call crossed the line like there was no more grace for me no more Mercy for me um but then I would at at my lowest points I would think and see and remember that God was there you know so I'm grateful yeah and after Amy uh was born and I was at my lowest I did try to kill myself but we went to the hospital and uh they it wasn't where they pumped your stomach they just give you like this thing to drink um and my husband was scared to death because he didn't want to see me go to a mental institution again and so he prayed and the woman with the clipboard that had that power to put me in a mental institute was there and I was I was you know I was in pretty rough shape and my husband told that woman what to do she the Lord just helped him he said she doesn't need to go to a hospital and the woman repeated what he said the woman with the clipboard she doesn't need to go to a hospital she needs to go home and get some rest you need to go home and get get some rest she told me so I got to leave the hospital without my husband um you know drawing a gun and killing everyone and making sure I got home no you wouldn't do that but I mean it was scary after am was born I went through a really really really really rough time you know so yeah all right wow what about when uh s Sarah was born H okay when Sarah was born yeah Mom had a lot of kids guys Sor this was taking a while I don't want to take everybody's time oh you're fine um and I don't want the eye disease what do you all have to say out there someone said uh you shared some wonderful experiences tonight what advice do you have for young girls who are experiencing depression and are afraid to say something very good question um well young girls that are experiencing depression one thing to remember is if if you see someone that you know is going through that type of thing or you feel like they're um you know at that point where they could be really hurt or really down really depressed uh like if you know someone like that as a friend you can be there for them like literally that's all you have to do sometimes sometimes people feel like like they're not um you know popular or they're not liked and but then there's you you know but then there's you know that person who who keeps being there for them um so anyone um that that feels that kind of a depression it it sounds cliche but you can you a person that's going through depression uh you can start out little and you can do those things that medically and physically can help you get out of it we've we've battled depression my husband and I both Through The Years um you know I like the way brother Donnie rean preached it it's like carrying a corpse around you know you sometimes have to make yourself do things that are hard one of the things is exercise another thing is diet and and that sounds cliche but if you get out there and you have a better chance of overcoming your depression if you get into Sunshine spend 10 minutes outside um and and the dopamine and the serotonin from exercising is real and and it's the same thing that the doctors will prescribe you only it's their version of the serotonin and the dopamine it it's it's not what your body actually produces and and I would suggest being a lot more uh like David stand Toe to Toe with the devil God's giving you the victory you might as well claim it because the devil's got a Punch coming at you you know and you stand and you say well today is a good day you wake up every day I am a blessing from almighty God God's got a purpose for my life and if you don't know what it is pray until he shows you um whatever it is you're depressed at don't be scared of that thing whatever it is you're you're sad about don't don't run the other way pray about it and face it you know um by God's grace he he's given David this this boldness like a lion it's crazy and of course he's he battles of course we all go through anxious times and depressed times we all do and if you can actually just kind of um try to be a part of that person's life anyway they're not going to want you to anyone in a deep depression clinical there it's it's really bad but if you go there um you know God God can God can use your love for them to get them out of it when I was in the mental institution I had no idea literally who that person was that come to see me my husband came to see me and we weren't married yet but uh I didn't know who he was I was so out of it and you know that's that's a lot because of the um nerve pills that God delivered me of but you can also go in your mind to places where you aren't going to be there in reality um and that's dangerous um was it two or three times they called us and told us Amy wasn't going to be making it like because she had gone that far in her mind even more that she was going to die they told us that and so God's delivered us he's delivered me and he can deliver anyone anyone going through depression um um but those things I would suggest are real the the getting out in the fresh air you know um your exercising your diet it's a big plus it helps a lot I hope that helps yeah it's really good stuff what about when you had I this you had Sarah what about you had David oh I didn't finish when I had Sarah oh yeah keep going with Sarah so Sarah um we were over at Brother David morses and I was a hene we were visiting his sister brother sister Brenda and at her house before church I started to Hemorrhage and sister Martha Hopkins showed me a scripture in that I could claim um and that is a great over overpowering overcoming thing that you can you can overpower the devil with is just claim scripture it works every time so I was trying to hang on trying to hang on and losing my baby you know and it was very difficult for me because uh you know you never want to lose a baby so then um I went to church and I had been resting at that time at sister Brenda's house before we went to church and I was reading in the scriptures well Brother David took the same exact um text from where I was reading in the Bible and then um you know we went through service and afterwards I um went up for prayer because I knew that I was trying to lose the baby well then we drove home that night and my husband off and read before we went to bed so I had gone to bed and he was reading and then um um when he came to bed he got in bed and he like jumped out of bed and then turned the light on and he pulled the covers back and I was in a pool of blood and um so I was Heming really bad and um but I just I went back to the Lord took the scripture from what I was reading and made a text out of it for the pastor I went back to that and then in my mind I went back to but I had prayer and I went up after service for prayer and so it's going to be all right I I just had faith it was like okay so we um put towels turned the mattress over put towels down spent the rest of the night the next day threw the mattress out got a different one and just believed my husband said we're just going to believe when he saw all that blood he said this time we're just going to believe we're just have faith and then um let's see seven months later Sarah was born she's been a real blessing ever since let see so Olivia cleany do you believe God allowed you in your and your husband to experience depression so that you'd have a better idea of how to help Amy during her struggle well to be honest with you uh absolutely uh we we both have family members that are clinically depressed or have had them types of problems um and growing up there's different mechanisms um that your body and your mind actually normally do to cope you know but then uh yeah it takes it's it's definitely taking God to overcome them things uh I would definitely suggest um if you don't understand about the depression to be a good friend to people that are going through that type of thing as far as you understand um because a lot of times I think when you're depressed it's just that you don't like you want the answers but they're not there right then and you just have to wait it out sometimes but yeah we went through them things and we've had family members that kind of maybe is in a little bit of our genes maybe kind of think yeah your Thomas is pretty okay don't listen to him no they did tell us Anna was going to be for real really Anna Anna is super I didn't know that yeah they did it all makes sense no she it's amazing she taught herself to read when she was four our oldest daughter I she Anna taught herself how to read yeah we just told her the different sounds of the letters and then on the way to church or on the way home from church she if she was four years old she asked Dad she said do you spell dad d a d dad and he thought maybe she memorized it so he goes yeah how would you spell frog then she said f r o would it be G Dad nice that's awesome but no she's far from and Thomas isn't [Laughter] either about uh when you had me I'm sure was such the most difficult time when you had me oh my goodness we had um been wondering if the Lord would want us to have more children and so we uh were at Brother David Morris's um just visiting and we went to McDonald's after church and Brother David was in the parking lot with us and so we asked him but like we didn't follow his advice he didn't really advise us it was like so we're think we're thinking about having more children what do you think and he said well I think four is Deliverance you know and so but if you were counting Sarah was our fifth but anyway he kind of said fors Deliverance because you know that's what that means and maybe that would be like the end of us having children and uh we walked away from there and my husband turned around and said Dory we're gonna have another baby he's going to be a boy and we're gonna name him David and um and I said wow that's great then I want bluee that's what I said because we were just talking to Brother David Morrison of course he has brown eyes and if we were GNA have another baby and name him David I thought about Brother David Morrison I said but I want blue eyes I don't want awes which uh which of your children do you think looks most like you how about personality wise which looks most like your husband personality wise so which one looks like you the most which you looks like Dad the most and what about the personalities how do they are they limited you guys as when your age or whatever um my sister claims that Sarah is my mini me yep you guys are very similar personality well our personality is almost exactly the same I think we have blonde Roots anyway so anyway yeah we're a lot like we're just from way out there most people don't get us and that's okay with us um what was the other ones what do them look like that the one that acts like that or looks like that both um I think Thomas looks most like dad looks wise um David acts like Dad in what ways um like that's the way it is buddy you know [Laughter] really sure of himself um really um like deep feeling like his heart is uh very sentimental like and just real uh like he just doesn't doesn't just feel he feels deeply you know like I don't know how to explain it um very sensitive person like very surface not a surface 12 yeah he's a very like a deep thinker kind of person um like his dad and one are the questions did I answer mom yeah yeah that's good um when you have me I'm sure it was difficult to have me as baby right um it was harder after you were born then so was any pay when I was born or uh well okay uh David was the same way before he was born like and after he was born he like okay I went to the doctor and um I don't know how to say it any other way so forgive me but I was dilated to three at three months and that just means you're going to lose that baby basically that's it you don't get that baby because you're going into labor and the the baby's not even developed well that was David and he's always had this type of personality to um go headlong into everything like he's not halfways he's 100% And so um when uh of course I had to be on bed rest um but not from the doctor's advice I went to the clinic where I was going to get seen by a nurse and they asked me some questions and it just got stranger as it went and and the the nurse was like well what are you doing here and I said said well I believe in prenatal care and she said well uh did anyone punch you in the stomach I was like no she said um have you been drinking I said uh no haven't been drinking she said um do you want an abortion as I was carrying David and by that time this girl got livid and my blood started to boil and I was like I I want to tell you something I was the rich I was a sinner saved by grace the Lord Jesus Christ has changed my life completely and I want to tell you something else God sent a prophet and I gave her the whole nine yards because as she was about to ask me whether I wanted to take and kill my baby I definitely was going to take and give her life thanks for not killing me in the room mom I couldn't believe she said that at a clinic for predal care look what yeah I was shocked this was in Tex Canada and so I was like this is crazy um so when I went i' I'd go to the clinic to go for the checkups and everything and then finally at 8 months um the doctor would not let me go back home I was dilated to 6 and A2 and he said you're having that baby tonight and I said okay so we went to the doctor and I mean the hospital and lovely sisters from our church and surrounding churches came and walked the halls with me walked and we walked for hours and they and there was very much love and support that that my husband and I have got throughout the years from a lot of different Christians but anyway before David was born um yeah he wanted to get born before he was supposed to and sure enough he did so he was um a month early and um I had heard stories about women who would give birth and not have any pain and I said yeah right uhhuh like no but when that happened and I had giving birth to David it didn't hurt I felt more pain bringing in the girl's this afternoon so yeah they were right it can actually happen I'm the biggest uh kid you have now was that the biggest baby too no um Thomas was the biggest baby David was the smallest baby so I guess his his his urge and drive to thrive really paid off nice let's see Liv says do you feel a big personality difference between yourself and any of your kids I do yeah sometimes yeah like what um um like personality difference I think um if I had to well how do I put it if I had to say who was my like the one I got along best with it would be Thomas and then Ruth and then David um so B basically it's differences with the ones that have moved out yeah yeah interesting okay what about when you had uh oh yeah you can answer this now that we're on uh me as a child what was what's your most embarrassing David story there were some really great David stories there are some just freaky things um my most embarrassing one uh we were as a family trying to do a really fun family thing so we all went to the YMCA in the middle of winter in Wisconsin and one of the kids was supposed to be watching David or two of them maybe and we were all in different parts of the um places like a big building you know a couple stories and and a basement and there was just people everywhere and like everyone was doing what they wanted to do um like playing pingpong you know the wi are set up you can just go do whatever and um all a sudden the fire alarm went off and uh I I was with Thomas you know he was just a kid just like one or so and um everybody had to evacuate the building and uh then the kids we all we all kind of found each other and um and the kids were like David pulled the fire alarm so all the kids from the why had to leave uh and it was a winter in Wisconsin and they all had to be outside because the fire alarm p and David pull it and we were just like sliding out the door trying to just leave inconspicuously one time we went to a gas station and somehow the main switch was what David found he was like five and he pulled it and shut off everything at the gas station one time we were visiting uh Tennessee and um like David and Josh were in the van and like the rest of us went in to the gas station and we came back out and Josh was laying across the floor of the van with his hands holding on to the break he was 12 David was I don't know three three and um we're like Josh what are you doing and he's like the van's about about to go forward and we look at the right in the front of the van is this like it's the parking lot but then it's in Tennessee so there's a huge drop off like he had to stop the van from moving forward because David put it into gear and all he knew was like if he pushed the brake it would happen it would stop the van so that was hilarious I don't know David's not real embarrassing um I don't really have any more embarrassing stories he was a phenomenal kid just crazy thank you I also a trouble kid right he did things that were wrong at some points yeah you did we made a homemade jail for him once oh you did had a cardboard box right yeah we did beautiful he just wouldn't stop doing wrong I love that jail he sat in the hot seat at Walmart I it was a it was a it was a one of those teach things I wanted to when we first uh showed him a bicycle at the age of two he rode it without the training wheels I've never used Trad angles in the bike that was weird he just amazing David what's your best memory of your mom uh best memory of Mom let's see who's asking Olivia K also uh best your mom is whenever you start laughing your head off and no one knows why but I'll look over trying to read the Bible and devotions and you just laughing your head off or you tell me some random story and it's like wa when you're tell us about the kids that got hit by the car earlier and I had to ask you for the beginning and the end cuz you started right in the middle only you can do that I don't understand how you do that but you do uh sorry no it's hilarious I love it no one else has that Talent it's hilarious uh best memory I'd say of mom is that she spent her entire life dedicating it to us kids and uh L A lot of things these things I didn't even know about her because she's just dedicated everything to her kids and she has not lived a life for herself so Olivia what's the best memory of your mom you have a wonderful mom don't you yeah Olivia you're on the spot now just wondering what about Thomas why did you have Thomas I thought you guys were done after me oh so I could have been a younger um yeah buddy it was um about that time um when I found out I was pregnant with Thomas I told my husband and he just looked at me and later on he told me it hit him like a ton of bricks like he wasn't ready for that and Thomas um everything went really really good and I knew I wasn't done having babies after he was born even though he was the biggest one he um he was born and he looked like he was old enough to read a book he was huge he was a big boy and he cried and he didn't stop for two years like he cried and he cried and he cried like he was mad because he had to be on this Earth see Olivia cleans answers answer your question as well it always meant a lot to me when she tucked me into bed and kissed me good night I also really enjoyed her reading stories to me either after Library Hall or some before bed wow that's awesome time memory would probably be when she allowed me to go pack to go back for an extra piece of dessert major foodie a don't you mean major fatty over there I'm kidding uhoh now you're in trouble dessert what about you when you had Ruth I bet you had no problems with Ruth when you had her when you were 42 years old Oh No 41 4 1 years old what was that like that was a miracle from God uh I don't know I got this little thought in my head and said you know my mom was 41 when she had me be nice to have another baby so I told my husband about it and he was like we're done Dory we had these kids we have a lot of kids kids we're done and I was like oh but I would really like another baby and he's like no no no and so um he ran he does a lot of running or he did and he would pray when he runs and he was running and and the Lord spoke to him and said uh what would you keep your wife from having another baby for like why wouldn't you um let your wife have another baby and and uh so he came home from running and he told me that and um I was very happy and for three months we did a a pregnancy test and whenever it wasn't positive I cried and on the third month um we were pregnant and when I found out it was early in the morning and um I was extremely happy but everybody was sleeping so I turned on a Brother Bram tape excuse me and um listening to the prophet he was talking about um the people in the audience and it was the beginning of the tape and he started talking about his friends and different ones he knew and didn't know in the audience and uh he remembered a brother that had uh that was in the audience that had a daughter who couldn't have any children and when he recognized him the man stood up and he said my daughter has three three children now brother Braham because brother Braham had prayed for her to have children and then she had three children and then um that was on that tape and then he told a story about another woman who had a baby um she wasn't in the audience at that time but she had previously gone to uh a a brother Brandon meeting and had gotten prayed for to have a child and when she left that meeting she doubted the vision there was a vision that she would be pregnant and have a baby and she told her husband that she doubted it well um they went years and years with no children and then she started dieting and when she did she got deathly sick and she ended up in brother Brandon's meeting again and he prayed for her and he said I see you holding a son and um apparently this time she didn't doubt the vision and she ended up her and her husband were married for a long time she was 53 years old before she had any children and she had a boy and uh that was all on the tape when I found out I was pregnant with Ruth and so we're not ruthless anymore that's great so what advice did you give people that are thinking of having kids or girls that are thinking oh should I do career thing or should I there isn't any new comments career thing or should I have kids or what yeah I was faced with that at a young age um Lord how do I do this um you know I want to be an actress for you and ended up with a nervous breakdown I'm sure you don't want me to do that I uh would like to um I don't know at that point I was so so drained of of of my ways and of the world's ways and like I didn't want nothing to do with what my idea of life would be and I knew I was young I had my whole life ahead of me and I was like Lord what do you want me to do so my advice would be to Young sisters that don't know what to do uh keep keep the Lord before you I mean do what you know to do and you know if you've been raised right do what you know to do that's right that you know is pleasing to the the Lord and pray about it and as much as you can keep your emotions away from oh I really want this oh or oh I really want that try to keep yourself in neutral as far as the ideas of what to do with your life and then pray because God puts people in your life that'll direct you to help you to be living your potential of of what you know um the Lord would want for your life or what you can do that's that's a good thing in your life and so my advice would be do what you know to do if you've been taught right and then leave the rest in the hands of the Lord um remember he puts people in your life to help you to be directed knowing um the will of God is knowing the word of God and like we we raised our children this way we told him you know at first it's God then it's the dad then it's the mom then it's the children so that's God's line of authority you know um and so you have you have your parents and above all else you have your pastor you have um people like that that's ordained to show you the right way to go that's ordained because lo and behold you are um you know you're the IM you're in the image of your parents of your of your family they know you because they know you really well because they are themselves they know themselves the only person that knows you better than them is yourself and God so it's best to listen to those that love you when it comes to making um life's decisions what tapes would you recommend people to listen to How the angel came to me life story um I think they're all good what final thoughts do you have for the people nothing I don't have any thoughts um um I would say oh no I I do think that there is a point to [Music] where you know you've passed from Death unto life um when you look in the mirror and and you see yourself that's your worst enemy because you can stop yourself from the blessings of God and so um I would say look look into God's word for for the will of God and and don't move forward with something you know is not God's will something you know that's displeasing to God don't move forward with it in your life it's already written all those things lead to death so you know I would say for young people open your mind uh up to what God would have you to do with your life life but like our first Pastor he used to say some people have um open minds so much that they let their brains spill out and so you can't be too open-minded I mean you can be open-minded but it has to be within what would be pleasing to the Lord um that's the key because um yeah I hope that helps I hope that some SS it up mom's really good to pray and guys mom you going to pray for us in land okay yeah um okay right God of Glory we're we're so happy to have a a different dimension Lord that we can go to a different um walk than the than than when our feet meet the Earth Lord we we know you take us up we know you lift us up into the Heavenly places in Christ Jesus and Lord we thank you for each one here on the live God for all their uh families and what um questions there were asked um we pray you just bless them a hund fold Lord and their lives and and and knowing that in my S there could be no no right answer there could be no good way but Lord if we look to you there's only you you are the way and Lord we just pray bless each one we pray bless David we pray Lord for Lord the peace that passes all understanding for our brothers and sisters that are anxious that are depressed that are uh in the bonds of um you know the world and the things that that are are binding Lord we all face it we all face that every day um and the way to stay clear is through your your spirit through your word and and Lord we just ask that you cover Us by your blood Lord forgive us of our mistakes forgive us of our trespasses and Lord make us to where we would understand more of you where we could come to the fullness of Christ that your will may be done in our lives we we thank you for the opportunity here um and ask that you go before us Lord and we pray in Jesus name amen amen all right few awesome comments here then we'll end this let's see sister Olivia Kini thank you so much for coming on and sharing parts of your love and testimonies with us it was so wonderful listening to your words of wisdom tonight as well as enjoy your calm joyfill disposition thank you sister Joy thank you for the encouragement and joy thank you so much for the encouragement and your testimony as well God bless you thank you all right God bless you later guys