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Date:     2023-09-16
Title:    What about the tapes? - "What do you mean by" #0029 with Brother Trevor Emond
Speaker:  Trevor Emond
Church:   What Do You Mean By
Type:     Church Service
Duration: 2h 1m
Language: English
URL:      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yciGYgHeuKI
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welcome welcome to what do you mean by I believe number 29. where we're going to be asking about the Trevor email what it was like preaching at the Brenham Tabernacle what did beta moved to the church he's at and what about the tape Ministry is right and what about it is wrong what's up Josh Brady welcome to life hello who's for the Trevor joins I'll have him Joy he'll pray and we'll begin hi everybody how's everybody stay hope over here I hope everybody had an awesome day hope everybody's appeared on the bottom here in a second once it works go live a couple times until this works what's up for the Trevor balance down just a little bit not too much not too much having a beautiful evening I'm trying to adjust forgive the moving around we'll get it fixed up here we forgive you you look tired you know I am I was like at about eight o'clock I was like man I'm gonna join for the day tonight oh goody I just wanted to go to yeah not doing that or I won't just won't even sleep maybe we'll get this set up maybe we won't uh we'll see all right do something maybe huh is it set up oh looks like I get it set and then it moves and I just didn't want it to be like completely like I still feel like it's a little but yeah angle a little bit you can also put it on like like uh you can put on a desk too oh I just you know I've got the coffee table but it's like that far away and then I thought you know whatever dancing I just look like an emoji or something I'm just gonna hold it here before too long oh yeah I just haven't set up on my uh on my desk but y'all are probably like wow this guy really is old come on let's tighten here okay see here's the coffee table if I put it on the coffee table I feel like and then okay let's bring the coffee table to me yeah good stuff it's already a pretty coffee table it has books so I've had 24 of these since this is 23 of these since the last time you were on since the last time I was on yeah you were number five this is number 29. wow that wasn't even that long ago how's that how's that are we good I like this I'm happy now yeah yeah it looks great it looks good good oh I can't lean back too far there we go we're fine all right we got it all right cool stuff good stuff I'm excited for this life yeah it's great happy to be here it's amazing what do you think of the beard um you know actually I was looking at you the other day uh um it's starting to look really good actually like if you keep it up it's been trying I need to confirm this again I did the thing to make the make it all grow consistent but I've never tried it before so I'm trying yeah it just takes a while for it to like to really look good you have to just go through that patchy phase and it's really annoying but yeah yeah we're going through some cool questions what's up you like Ross welcome to the live yeah all right um so I guess I'll just have you pray and then we'll uh we'll go go ahead okay let's pray father thank you for this time and just pray that your you would be with us and uh that you guide our words Lord and it just this would be a help to people I was even talking to somebody in Florida and was asking about it and and uh Lord so I know it it reaches people and I pray Lord that you would do the work in it and maybe just have a fun conversation and honor you in our word so we ask you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ amen amen amen so for those who don't know the guy on the bottom of the better looking weird if you can see it because it's blonde um is brother Trevor eamond I'm from the Jeffersonville area um and uh I've been I've lived I've lived here for about 20 years and I used to attend Services of the Brenham Tabernacle and I taught Sunday school there um I was ordained as a minister there in late 2003 and I've just been preaching the gospel for uh 20 years now it's actually a little over with that but and um uh done a lot of done a lot of youth ministry done a lot of counsel done a lot of just a lot of stuff you know so hey that's me um I'm just trying to be a blessing so wherever I can be and however I can be then then hey that's what I want to do so that's awesome and as far as I know you're one of the few preachers to ever preach at the brand of Tabernacle um what was that like it's a small but distinguished list um yeah you know so so here's the story so um it kind of surrounds like right right as I I was deciding if I should be ordained or not because um I didn't really run from Ministry but I didn't really run toward it either um I was just kind of like well Lord if you want me to um uh you know if you want me to be pretty sure then okay but I don't have to find a Pulpit you know I can just you know I mean here in in Jeffersonville you know when you're young and you know I mean putting putting the title of preacher on you isn't uh isn't exactly you know something you just hey you can't wait to do that you know um kind of makes you a little bit of a Target you know so I wasn't really running towards it but I had I had gone out to South Dakota and visited my family out there and I was preaching you know the pastor asked me to preach on a Sunday night and there was just a long story I won't go into it but a lot of just there's just a lot of turmoil with me being out there visiting my family that weekend and um but in the pastor asked me to preach and I was like nah I'm just like feeling like no this is a bad idea because I Trevor needs just to be preached to right now Trevor doesn't need to be preaching I need I need to draw strength I have nothing to be out I have nothing on my heart and um so I had like three quotes and a scripture on my notes and I went into the office and I told the pastor I said look this is this I'm gonna be done in five minutes this is gonna be awful um so we shouldn't do this uh why don't we play a tape and uh he patted me on the shoulder and said you'll be fine and left and yeah yeah and I'm like 20 I guess I'm 20 22 or 23 at that point you know so I just I just kind of looked up and I was like Lord I tried like if this is bad like this it's not my fault because I I tried not to do this and then um so anyway I ended up preaching for like an hour just under the anointing you know saying things I had no plans to say because I had like I said my notes were three quotes in the scripture I mean it was just it should have been five minutes but I ended up preaching pretty solid for an hour and I realized like okay Lord you you put a gift in my life and you put an anointing here so I'm just gonna go with it and I can't really deny it anymore and I can't deny that you might want to use Me In a Pulpit anymore so uh went back home uh and uh my my current Pastor now brother Nathan Bryant he and I buddies and had preached together a little bit and I called him and I said hey man I'm I'm kind of kind of done I'm just gonna call for the Collins and have him ordain me and he's like yeah I'm feeling it too so so we were named together late December of 2003 and uh I'm thinking like you know like anything's gonna happen for like months you know I figured maybe I'll preach again in six months or something like that because at the time man I was you know I was preaching once a year twice a year maybe something like that and um and so I got a call like two days later from Brother Collins saying hey uh we're having a watch Night Service and we would like you to be one of the speakers and I fell out of my chair because you know I'm thinking like I won't preach for like six months after being ordained and you know two days later I'm being asked to be preach at the Brenham Tabernacle so um it's kind of like yeah um this is kind of crazy hey everybody say hi to Ava say hi Ava anyway she's oops she's joining me here so um so anyway so um you know I did what any young preacher doesn't have any experience with who would even though I'm like yes please this is amazing I said well uh let me pray about it yeah and I did you know but I called him back the next day and yeah but then that'd be fine and and so I knew I had you know I had two ways to play it I I could I could be safe and I could just um you know I could I could preach something that would get me invited back again um and and then and then the other idea was just like hey maybe I have one shot um so I went with the ladder and I just you know I just preached what was on my heart and um ended up you know being a very memorable sermon and it was intimidating you know I mean you're standing out my brother branham's pulpit and you know like you got brother Brandon's granddaughter sitting in the audience staring at you which was oddly intimidating I I don't know why like author more than anyone else I don't know but it just it just kind of was but um you know and uh and and like us you know I I I tried not to I tried not to say anything just because it was the brand of Tabernacle I tried not to you know I just tried to preach you know and just strategy and and so it was um it was it was a really good experience you know it was it was neat so I think I preached three times uh over the 17 years or so that I attended Services there and uh you know yeah wow so uh and then and of course I thought Sunday school there um quite quite often especially the you know uh the older you know the farther into you know I got you know which age group I did a 11 to 15. which is a huge I mean you know that's just Italian it's a terrible age group you know um you know I mean it's like you know like how are you you know 15 year olds and 11 year olds or I'm like you know are our universes apart in their you know in their mental state you know I mean common sins of of 11 year olds or stealing cookies from a cookie jar you know and then you don't want to talk about maybe some common sense of 15 year olds to the 11 year olds so you know you just that's just the way it is you know I didn't want any parents coming back to me saying hey uh brother Trevor so how did you deal with this well it was just sometimes you did hard it's hard to find that middle of the ground middle of the road you know and and uh and and kind of what ended up happening is a lot of times the 15s would just end up like I'm too old for Sunday school because but you know you just did what you could some days you were over top of the 11 year old's head and some days you were too too childish for the for the for the 15 year olds so yeah but yeah so I mean that's yeah that's that's the way it was um you know I get some I would get some pushback on various different things um but uh you know it's all part of it you know I think I think you're gonna have that in the church I mean particularly a trip church that mostly this is the tapes um but uh you're gonna get push back on things see people you said people didn't like anywhere so yeah enough fair enough what uh what made you move to brother Nathan Brian's um so I actually had I had wanted to do that um man probably five ten years earlier than I did maybe not 10 it couldn't be that much when the church has only been going for about 12 years so um I but definitely years you know a few years prior um the things that the Tabernacle there was a lot of politics at the Venom Tabernacle you know brother Collins for the versus Brother Joseph kind of stuff and just it was just a difficult um environment you know sometimes it was just one of those you could cut the air with a knife you know kind of a thing and then you know um and like something in me you know cried out for a little bit more than uh maybe the worship uh style that brother Collins had at the Tabernacle brother Collins took uh 1963 church order tape you know two songs prayer another special or another song and you know you you you start the preaching so you know it was just kind of you know three song Services were three songs maybe two or three songs and that's it you know so it just wasn't a whole lot of you know passion involved in the worship I guess and and it was so so that and then a lot of the politics and it was just it was just rough man it was it was rough um uh and I know some people were just like well listening to tapes maybe that is like no actually I I really enjoyed listening to tapes um it wasn't the tapes that I that were the problems for me it was just a lot of the other things um that were that just made it more difficult um so I had wanted to go over to brother Nathan's probably a few years earlier than I did but I was driving to work one day and just praying and saying Lord what am I gonna do uh and I I just one of the few times that I just felt like the Lord really just spoke directly to me kind of one of those not an audible voice but you sir you certainly heard something um in your heart you know and it just said if he he said if I want you at the Brenham Tabernacle isn't that enough and I was like oh well Lord um yeah if you're gonna put it that way Lord uh yeah I'll I guess I'm staying you know and so I just really felt like I had a mandate from the Lord um to stay um and so so I had to just be faithful to to how the Lord was leading me um and then um fast forward into um brother Collins resigned um for his reasons and then um Brother Joseph ended up becoming Pastor you know within a few months of that and uh my plan was to have gone to brother Nathan's again you know just at the end of the year I wasn't gonna just um you know just because something changed and things things were new I was just gonna you know jump ship you know but I was really praying about it and um just had another experience there in church where I was praying and just definitively felt like the Lord was saying no I I need you to stay here and I was just like why you know because when Brother Joseph became pastored Sunday they didn't have Sunday school a lot so I wasn't really I didn't have a you know I didn't have this every Sunday teaching Sunday school and different things and um you know so it was just uh it was just like okay so what am I you know is is there a reason you want me to stay Lord is there something I'm supposed to do and you know I feel like I'm probably the kind of guy that if the Lord told me what he wanted me to do I'd just go ahead and try to do it um and and then I'd probably mess it up so he didn't really tell me what he wanted but I so we we stayed for another two years um just and then it just got to the point where it was just so it was just too hard um it was just really difficult for us for various reasons um and in praying about it just didn't feel like okay maybe you know maybe maybe I I have served the time that he wanted me to serve and we stayed and then now things are just it's just time to make that transition so I told brother Nathan I said hey don't don't start having me preach don't give me a title don't don't make me anything in your church uh we're just gonna have a three month waiting you know like trial period and just kind of see how this feels and I actually kind of thought the first service at brother Nathan's I was just like I'm gonna get sick come you know the Lord's gonna kill me something like that because you just you know not because I not because I felt like it was wrong or anything like that for you know to to go to the Nathan's Church you know or something like that but just because I had so definitively had the Lord tell me twice that he wanted me to stay at the Tabernacle so like I didn't take it lightly and it's like Lord if you still do like I'm just I'm just trying to you know live here and figure this out so I'll listen if you want me to and and I just thought oh man and maybe I'm just you know I'll feel sick or I'll just you know almost be dead but they get the service you know it was just weird you know but it ended up being very good and I saw how the Lord began to use my family at brother Nathan's church and even without me just not me even doing anything but I just saw him using my wife using my kids blessing people different different people just in fellowship and things like that and I'm just Lord Lord just looks this really feels right and so you know just helped me to make sure that this is okay and you know so yeah so we're happy there and it's it's been going really well I'm happy for that how long uh so you're at rather you're at the brown Tabernacle for 15 years and how long you've been uh random Tabernacle when I moved to Jeffersonville in 19 July of 1999 until 2017. so um 17-ish 18ish yeah so yeah plenty of time to listen to tapes man so many times so speaking of uh speaking of tapes you know I'll give a little background so you know raise the message everyone has their own little scenario and a lot of especially kids have no idea how we're supposed to uh move forward and everything we want to be correct we want to have the right Spirit about everything yeah and it's very tough it's been very tough on me hearing all these different things because like yes the tapes are really important and yes for the brand is the proper for the age but also my dad's a pastor my entire life I preach and I it's been tough for me to figure out like what about the tape Ministries right and what about it maybe is where people use it in the wrong way that's the that's the question what about it is right what about not it but what about it in some ways it's maybe wrong about what people have turned it into almost I guess yeah so um I I guess this tape Ministry is the is the is is like oh man what is that so what do you mean by what do you mean by the tape industry so let me just if we just peel back that and just say like hey let's not talk about like tape ministry as if it's some kind of like like coined term or something like that like I like and and let's just talk about like maybe the place that I what I would see the the place of tapes to be how's that sound does that yeah so yeah I mean so so I grew up in a church um the pastor preached and then we would listen to tape sometimes sometimes he would like preach for 20 minutes about what we were going to hear on the tape 20 or 30 minutes sometimes it felt like he preached like of course I was young you know but it's like man you just done preached the whole sermon about what we're gonna hear and now we gotta hear it like like and I'm ready to go home um you know so I listen so we we had a we had you know both preaching and tapes when I was growing up and then coming to the random Tabernacle when you know when I was young just 20 years old or so the guy just turned 20. um and and it was almost exclusively um listening to tapes um brother Collins would preach Sunday school or brother Rogers would bring Sunday school every now and then but I would say for a good portion of the time I was there um there was a lot of um just exclusively listening to tapes in church um and uh you know some people think that's wrong some people whatever you know like we can we can debate that all we want but I like what you said about like just the spirit of it so are you still there okay yeah I was just grabbing a drink all right so um you know I would just say like I learned a ton listening to tapes in church um I I've actually started a Bible project so in in the margins of my Bible um when we would start listening to tape brother Brown and say turn to this scripture I'd turn to the scripture and then I'd note like what tape it was in the margin of that of that uh you know scripture and and and so and then if brother Brennan said you know hey the three frogs is in Revelation is you know is the Trinity Doctrine well I'd write Trinity doc you know three frogs equals for the deduction so I've got I've got like all of these you know margins and and actually someday I'd love to put put together a what I call the message annotated Study Bible um that brings in you know that has all those things in the margins you know um so that as you're reading the Bible you can just like oh this is what brother Brandon said about that and this you know that sort of thing so um you know so I I just learned a ton now I I get it some people um you know listening to tapes in church look there were people you know in the Pew next to me you know who I you know literally one time you know mentioned David and Bathsheba had no idea who Bathsheba was it's like how like what's going on here you know so so it's like just because you're listening it you know you're in a church and you're listening to say this doesn't mean you're you're actually receiving but for me I did um and I think a lot of that can be your attitude toward it um so for me like man I was just I was just speeding you know I mean that was I just uh if if you want to know if brother Brandon said something like I probably know like over 18 years of living in the Vapes and churches you know I've gone through 60 to 65 like I don't know how many different times just in church and that's not listening to anything on my own you know I mean I do on my own too but like like so I know I know what the prophet said so and I think that's a huge um that's a huge thing um so let's just talk about like okay that's that's just kind of how my experience you know and then and of course God called me to Ministry and even in even and through that and um so I think one of the things that we have to we have to realize is like we can have both like we can have tapes and we can have preaching and that's okay um they are not mutually exclusive um to play a tape in church for service does not mean that you hate preaching um to preach does not mean you hate tapes like can we all calm down just a little bit and and and recognize that hey God has given us all of these things like we're the Most Blessed people on Earth in our day um because we we have as brother Branham said you know we have the perfect interpretation of the word of God with Divine Vindication so we we have like look if there's any ever any time in history that people understood what the word was trying trying to say we understand that now and we understand it because God fulfilled his word by sending us a prophet so um so like we're just super blessed you know and so we have incredible gifts we have incredible Ministries amongst us and then we have this this Trove of 1200 and some tapes you know we're we're God recorded a prophet I mean imagine you know imagine Paul or Moses having been the voice having been recorded you know that's that's pretty amazing stuff um you know so I think we shouldn't just take that lightly you know and it's kind of crazy that we have you know this we can have the table app or the message Hub app you know in our pockets and almost never on our phones and we can and we can almost never touch it and I think that's a great travesty so um so I think there's a place for both of them um in our lives and I think there's a place for both of them in church and so I would so some of the conversations that I've had recently you know I've just kind of said look um because I've kind of noticed this in in some of the younger some of the younger the ministry of some of the younger men it's it's it's it's the problem is if we're not listening to tapes um we're gonna our but our pastors are um then you know our pastors are listening to tapes our pastors are quoting quoting a prophet but if the if the next generation of ministers is quoting the things that their Pastor quoted the prophet saying uh and they're not getting it for themselves like okay what about the generation after that who are quoting their Pastor who's quoting their Pastor who's quoting the tapes like if we begin to generate generationally um distance ourselves from tapes like that's not gonna play out well like it just it's just not um so there's a huge need um for us to recognize like what God has given us in our day and that it is the days of the voice and coincidentally it is a recorded voice and so I think that's a huge thing that we shouldn't take lightly so I think um you know we we just we we kind of begin to lose you know I think we can talk about it as like we begin to lose our heritage the farther we come from tapes you know if we say we're message Believers what does that what does that even mean well that means we're following the message that God gave to his seventh angel um and how are we following that well we can be taught by a pastor we can be taught by different ministers and that's that's fabulous but we're also been given this gift of this voice and I think to get away from that is uh is a is a scary and bad idea yeah so um so yeah I I so I I'm an advocate I think um like I'm an advocate of of people playing tapes everywhere um at home in the car at in church and and so I think in churches kind of can become like a big deal like that's a political hot button you know it's like should you go to gapes in church or should you have live Ministry you know and it's always fun because you know in in Jeffersonville it's like oh you can't get any more live than the prophet of God you know oh yeah yeah that's not well you know and it's like and then you know then you just hide your head in shame as as people begin to spew their stupid talking points because to be quite honest that's where we're at is these things have become talking points in you know our different you know preacherville or tapeville or wherever we're we're living you know we we have all these talking points and we just regurgitate these talking points and we you know we don't really actually engage with one another on on what we mean and what we're trying to say so you know I think uh you know if I say but but for me like I I'm an advocate of listening to tapes in church now I'm I'm I'm not telling pastors what to do but for me you know if they ask me and someone asks me do you like listening to tapes of church well absolutely I like listen to tapes in church and he and one of the big reasons why is what I just said about like disconnecting ourselves too much from from the tapes I think is a is a bad idea so for me um I think it's a great idea for a pastor to say hey this is what we're preaching we're preaching the tape we're you know but Tom model like to model the behavior before the people and say like I believe it's so thoroughly that I'm not even going to stop and I'm going to play a Tate in church because I want to I want you to recognize this is what you should be doing at home and I believe that so thoroughly and want to model that before you so that we hear it you know because you know I've been at camps you know where um you know you listen to a tape for one of the services and somebody says oh who's that we listened to a tape for service and and the the the you know and we had a young man who was just like you know oh that's brother Branham I've never heard him before and it's like we'll be doing heaven like no like that's a problem yeah like let's not get away from that so it's like well so this young man has never heard it in his church even though I'm sure his Pastor said you should be playing tapes but it was never happening um brother Nathan actually um I think it was Wednesday night he was he was on a roll he was pretty harsh he's like yeah I play tapes in church sometimes because hey some of y'all in here would you know like you're not playing them in front of your kids you know and I'm I'm afraid if I don't because you're not doing what you're supposed to do that they'll never hear the prophet I'm like you know so I think there's something to be said for that um again not trying to say what this pastor should do what any of anybody's listening you know what your how your pastor feels and that's just fine uh you know they're they're I'm sure lovely men of God being led by God um this is just my opinion on it and I feel like you know I have a fairly unique uh a unique uh you know hey you know unique perspective only church you know and I'm a minister you know so it's a pretty unique perspective you know so um you know I just see I see the need for it and I I've seen just just some Trends you know some some younger ministers that I've seen just just just greatly concerns me that we're we're trying to say we're message Believers but we don't listen to the message that God that God saw to have recorded for us today and I think that's that's a scary that's a scary thing you know um I'm obviously I'm all for preaching and I preach and you know if you invite me to preach at your church I'm not going to say well let's just play this tape like no I don't there's a balance there yeah what do you what so what is your response then to like the uh the let's just call it an argument from Authority where it's like well why would you want to preach when you'll never be as anointed or as effective or as a right or whatever as brother Brianna was well I think I think to some degree there's truth there um and so you know I I you know hey brother brothers Branham was you know we can look at Revelations chapter one and we've got seven stars in the right hand of God and who are those Seven Stars what are the seven Messengers it clearly tells us that okay so if brother branham's one of the seven Messengers in the right hand of God um and where's brother Trevor at oh where is it where is it and I can tell you what he's not he's not in the right hand of God not like that so there's a there's a position and a placing of authority there that brother Branham has that I certainly don't have so there's a there's a there is a truth there that it's like hey like if I if if you had to pick between me and brother Branham as the only thing you would listen to and here's where we put the word only in because that's where that's where it gets fun right it's only you know yeah you know if you had to pick one that you could only listen to like I would tell you choose but Ram don't choose me choose for the Branham it's way would be way more important like he is a star in the right hand of God it's a big difference there you know um and and we're the final voice of the final age who under our messenger are the final voice to the final age right so so um so so that's where you know you have to look at this and go okay so there's some truths there but let's if but if you take the only argument and you say well so I'm only going to listen to brother Branham but brother Branham also talks about ordaining ministers and brother Branham talks about all these things what what you begin to do is actually you begin to take the gifts out of your church and so if you're saying like well if a preacher if we no longer want to minister to preach from the pulpit like okay we're going to take that gift away well then the then logically it's like well you really shouldn't have song specials anymore um because brother branham's saying you know um you you the the mother really shouldn't be we know the mother is the sixth gospel she's the preacher of her own home but if he took the preacher out of the pulpit you probably should take the preacher out of the home and you know she should just play tapes when the kids get out of hand and say well here just listen to this tape and it'll correct you and I'm I don't have to correct you you have a prophet so it's like and you could say well Trevor that's like that's being like a little over the overboard but it's it's actually it's not and I don't I don't mean it to be it's actually just the logical extension that if you take it out in one place it it takes so so only to me like the biggest problem I have is that it removes all gifts and then when you do that all like especially to young people it's just like here just you you should sit and and listen to tapes um and then it's like okay but what can we do well sit and listen to tapes like but can we do anything for the Lord no you well you can tell others to sit and listen to tapes but you can't you know there's nothing for you to do and that's really hard I think for people is because they feel like you know a call of the Lord on their heart but then they're but they can't they can't use that and that's just a table typically yeah because it has to just be the tapes and so so to me like I can't I can't make make that biblical and I can't make that run through the whole message so you can see how I I can begin to you know we're trying to rightly divide the word of truth right and so it's like well there's certainly a case to be made that there should be a very high priority put on what brother Branham said I think there's anointing in those tapes I think you know hearing him how he said it makes a big deal um I mean I can't remember what I what it was the other day but I was like oh I want to share that quote but I almost have to share the audio of it to really capture like what are you saying like you have to hear kind of some of the some of how he says it you know and so I think this is yeah there's really something to be said for that and so there's a there's definitely a truth that says hey this is a Ministry that's that is more important that is that is the most important Ministry in our day and and none of us ministers truly have a Ministry without it you know if I didn't have quotes to search if I didn't have you know brother Brandon's sermons that I could go and refer back to like I I just you know how would I preach I I don't know you know so like it's a it's a big deal um so there's definitely a truth there that we have to remember that um but then to say well so that's that and so that means there's nothing for me well it's like no that he's the first you know so he's like he's like the the wave offering you know right it's it's like here's here's what God can do through Us in this day and um and I think I said it in remember if I said in the byc or a different camp but it was just like you know God has gifts that he's put in your life that he wants to use in the same magnitude that he used brother branham's like brother Brandon had a very specific and particular gift and you know just like a once in a you know once in a in an age gift you know but God used that in a specific you know magnitude a specific brightness and I think each God has given each of us gifts um that we want to use and want him to be able to use it in in the same brightness it's just that they're different gifts different callings different anointings you know so I don't see that God wants to take you know the book of Acts is certainly not showing us that God wants to take uh our gifts away but that we should have them in the right place yes um and then we can run off on a limb with our gifts if we're not like adhering to the word that God gave us so we want to make sure just we just keep the right balance for those things does that does that kind of yeah that makes sense because the uh it goes right into like I've listened to the three-part series from uh you know but your pastor brother Nathan where he says oh who would you go with during the Desert Island uh Trevor even or brother Branham sure but the Bantam but I don't have to make that yes I love that differentiation like it's not only stop saying only because that's not what actually is yes because I've always wondered about that because something in my mind is saying yes brother Branham has this massive position over me but at the same time I know that you know every now and then when I when I say something it is correct because it's recording what the brand said but if he's so much better why would I preach it all and I've always kind of you know wondered about that but from what you're saying you know that's not a choice we have to make it's not only one thing or the other only is the operative word that gets thrown out and and that's that's that's kind of the issue so yeah it's right because I love that because if you take out the it is a logical extension of the point to say okay then no more mother's talking to their children no more specials you can't even tell people to only play the tapes because you're preaching at them technically yeah it's so it just kind of it seems like it's kind of a self-defeating argument to me but um you know but but um but here's the thing you know like so so another thing like we just gotta we gotta make sure that we're looking at the spirits um you know in in one another two because I mean there's there's some really fabulous people from the Tabernacle that you know that I went to church with and that are really good friends of mine and you know I mean I had you know I still do have have good fellowship with them and and there's a couple of things that maybe we would we would disagree on a little bit but generally you know man I just had one brother that's he's a plumber and he just swapped out that water heater for us and I mean just this man is as good as gold like you you just don't find better than this brother you know I mean he loves the Lord and and you know but he and his family listen to tapes you know in their home on on Sunday it's like well I'm not gonna you know I'm not disfellowshipping over that you know that's just that's what you've you prefer and you know maybe you've had some bad experiences with some pastors well hey the the good motivator to just listen to tapes I get it you know I don't you know I I that's not what I would do you know but but I understand you know so we got to make sure that we understand that whether you know whether you're in tapeville or whether you're in preacherville doesn't mean you can't have friends on both sides you know doesn't mean that you you don't you know that we're not brothers and sisters doesn't you know like like hey let's let's calm down and then just just you know um because I've been in both places man and I've seen the bad spirit in both places you know and it's it's exactly the same you know you find these you find these Church spirits and you you'd find them both in in tape churches and preacher churches and whatever other kind of churches like you're going to find these same kinds of spirits um so we got to just remember that you know ultimately it's it's the spirit of Christ in our lives you know and um you know how how we serve the word up is uh it's maybe a slightly you know it's important but but maybe that's not the only thing we should be looking at yeah keyword only right like yeah I like that because it's the uh because only listen to tapes doesn't do anything for you if the life from those tapes doesn't come into your soul and change your life for sure is it you're right it's the working it's the moving of the gifts because one of us speaking in tongues what about being moved by God someone once told me nothing is more beautiful to me than the voice of God on tape and I said that's really neat and I and I you know I was kind of trying to you know get underneath the uh the point itself and say well I said nothing is more beautiful to me than God's voice whether it is through the tape or through the winds or the Seas or a donkey or whoever else it's the voice of God they said if you had to listen to one more one preacher for the rest of your life who would you listen to and I said the Lord Jesus Christ you're right it is the only I like that because it's like because I've always wondered like yes Paul was better at preaching and not but he is the absolute but Titus preached Timothy Jews John all the other guys you know yeah so what you're saying is it's more of uh it's a part of it and yes they have the higher position but the way that God has structured it is yes you have the prophet messenger and from that messenger you have the fivefold ministry preaching and they should and it is a good idea to play the tapes in church but it's not a uh it's not a it shouldn't be like a mandated thing you must do this yeah I think I yeah I struggle with I struggle with it being mandated I mean each church is Sovereign and brother Branham teaches us that you know and then conversely on the flip side it's just like well I'm a message believer but I just listened to my pastor yeah that's a bit difficult like how do you know your pastor's preaching the message to you I mean this is a big deal you know I'm like I'm not trivializing this at all like that's a huge deal like you know the the the the the the the reason we one of the reasons we needed this message is because of you know a nicolete and spirit that created all these churches and so you had all these churches and all these men you know who purported to be men of God um and it but it was the great deception and it's just like okay so then we had a message that comes and says hey you know like here's the truth here's the the revealed word of God um to you um but hey just have your pastor preach it to you that's like no no like this is a really bad idea because isn't that what caused the deception throughout all of these ages isn't that the mechanism that Satan used and like you know that's tough to say but hey remember I'm a preacher too like but yeah Satan used a lot of breachers throughout all the ages so like like let's let's not be trivial here it's a big deal to make sure that we're hearing what what God spoke through his messenger and and that we're that that you know when we're listening to the pastor you know hey hopefully we've got and I can say this as a as a as a minister and I'm I'm and one who knows many different pastors it's like we really appreciate it when we refer to something on tape that everybody knows what we're talking about like it's it's super cool man and you and and sometimes you refer to something and you get this Blank Stare and then you realize like well there goes those notes because they don't I can't refer to this anymore and so now I gotta actually teach this thing before I to move on to what I was actually going to preach and so like it's a big deal to to that everybody everybody is a part of this and whether that's in church or at home or in the car um then then it's it's just a big deal that we do like we have to we have to be in that um if you're not I don't know how you know whether your pastor's preaching the message to you or not and he says he is but how do you know uh he's a he's a lovely he was lovely man of God said a lot of people you know yeah you're right it has to be listen it is listen to the tapes more people should be listening to the tapes it's just it sounds real simple but it is a um it it might it's got to be done if you're really a message believer because that is the differentiating fact between us and the other and and for everybody else is is those tapes and um as far as the people only listen to their if any if anything with the pastor's doing it right he will do his best to try to get them to either play the tapes or I'll say hey you guys you should really be listening to these tapes and try you know because like me whenever I preach My Only Exception I'd say is if so if a Baptist pastor asked me to preach and doesn't want me to uh you know Say Hey I want you to bring it up for the brand or something like that you'd be wise but other than that the structure of my sermons like I'll start out and I'm gonna have brother bam quote if I can find my brother I'm talking about the exact same thing I'm going to put it there and make it like where the structure is what brother Branham said because that's just so much better than anything I'm going to come up with and try to go off of that same spirit and uh and preach the CEO oh yeah this is and this is the you know the Revelation for our day and it's like well let's kind of stay with that man yeah I mean I understand also the audio part let's see uh intercrusters I went to church with four rowinger and Mike says I understood that reference [Laughter] I you know when I was about 14 I used when you know when you couldn't just click on the quote and play the Audio I would find the audio to every quote I put on it for hundreds of quotes maybe a couple thousand just manual is finding it because I once I figured instead of me just reading this quote you know to someone that was two Lords saying when we say father is Jesus you know I figured why don't I just play this quote it'll be much more effective um so you know I think the audio is there's definitely points where I would also put on the like this certain audio to this certain audio or this down to the second preaching or teaching or really Intense or play this one or whatever because sometimes the audio is you know and if I've listened if you ever hear me like in the first live that I posted with me in the blue shirt when I read that quote from the rejected King oh yeah I read it in the exact way but the Brandon preached it because I've listened to it so many times I have no idea okay sorry [Laughter] I took away from your point there you're fine but yeah I really I try to if I've ever read the if I've listened to this one before I'll read it the exact way brother Brandon preached it um see Andrew cross says I went to church with many people that listen to the tapes and listen to a pastor preach the message but years later to hear what they took away from it is scary what they and look hey I think that's a good point too I mean and like none of this is saying like you know that there's not the revelation of the Holy Spirit to us I mean obviously we have to have this revealed to us personally by the holy spirit so God can use the tapes God can use a pastor but you have to this but but it's it's got to take a new birth and you've got to have a revelation from the holy spirit for yourself to make this word alive um and and to really have the character the the you know the voice behind the voice you know it's got to be the character of Christ coming through I say even from both ways of looking at it if you're only listening to your pastor and you're not listening to the tips on your own and getting to life from those tapes in Revelation for what he's saying to yourself you're not doing it right if you're only listening to tapes but the life from those tapes isn't into your heart doing it wrong well and so and well I just say look hey if the if the Life of Christ isn't coming into your heart you're doing it you're doing it wrong um I I'm not going to say someone's wrong just because they're only listen to tapes or because they're wrong because they're only listening to their Pastor I just feel like God has given us all of these things and why wouldn't we like hey as if this day isn't the most evil deceptive day that has ever been but God has given us the most Tools in our days in our day to combat that so why would we say well I'm only going to use this one tool you know God has given us all these gifts like let's let's use them you know um and let's try to take away a lot of this whole you know just the politics and the culture of it you know because a lot of you know a lot of this is and I get I guess I wanted to say this too like it's I think this is a really important Point um that that uh that a lot of like what we're talking about like whether it's right whether it's wrong like a lot of this is just message culture like it's not just this isn't the message like what we're talking about is this kind of like how people do church and how people this and that this is kind of like message culture stuff it's not really the message itself I mean the message itself is the Revelation that God has given us you know the the the the bringing us out of the deception of these Church ages and and all of these things you know like that that's what the message is and then and then we kind of have our little cultures and our little churches and how we do this and that like a lot of like I said just we're we're we're talking a lot about message culture right now and a whole lot less about like like what you're welcome James cinnabond that's it play on Cinnabon and James Bond that's hysterical but you're welcome and I think it's a huge point that we have to that we have to distinguish between the messages what brother Branham brought to us and then but we have a lot of message culture and like tapes only is like message culture preacher only this is just message culture and you know our little ways of doing things it's it's it's it's and it can it can really turn people off to what the truth that God is trying to give us uh in our day I think that's huge it's just so important yeah I see so what you're saying is is um whether you're so what about here I guess about this what about having a um if someone's tape only should they have a pastor how does that work what did they say brother Branham is their pastor yeah well I know a lot of those people [Laughter] um yeah like well look hey I mean what do you want me to say to him you know what what should I do like this is how they see it this is their the way they it's been taught to them I mean that they may be you know third generation of this you know um you know I'm not gonna just come in there and blast them you know but I'm gonna I'm gonna and say like bless God I you should have a pastor in here look at all these quotes you know and then we're gonna get into a quote war and they're gonna have quotes for me and then it's gonna just be a beautiful edifying conversation and we're gonna end loving one another and it's no like come on like this this is not the way you know this is just not the way to do it like it's fun like so so discern their Spirit you know I mean that's the deal like you know I mean are they are they nice to be around or do you get around them and they're like it's like ah this is terrible like I can't wait to leave you know like it's it's Discerning the spirit you know they may be a lovely just an absolutely lovely person you know and they may just have the spirit of God just oozing out of them but you get around the whole idea of Pastor and it's like man then now you're on this touchy spot because of like how they were raised or how they've been taught and things like that and it's like okay I'm gonna I'm gonna make the main thing the main thing and I'm not gonna worry about like well bless God they have to have a pastor it's like well okay I I'm not sure that there's a quote technically saying that you have to have a pastor like there's a quote that's talking about like you know your pastor will see you through and he's ordained you through things like that but but you know like to say you have to have a pastor and then it's like well so are they lost then like they have the whole they have the Holy Spirit they're listening to tapes they're just not you know like hey we all have our blind spots we all have our our things that maybe we don't see or we're not doing like I'm not gonna sit here and tell you like I am a hundred percent doctrinally correct on everything there is no room for doctrinal growth for brother Trevor because I have it all perfect right now like I'm not gonna say that like how could I see like how incredibly arrogant is that so if I if if and maybe I don't know what it is because obviously if I knew what it is I'd want to change and become correct so I think like it's it's pretty arrogant to say like um I think it's pretty arrogant to say hey I've got it all correct and uh and they don't and so you got to see it my way like that seems kind of nicolaitan to me so I'm gonna let people have their things in their life that that I see doctorally now I draw the line at at polygamy like uh I'm not I'm just not going there you know but like there's some other doctrinal things like it's like look okay fine you know hey you love the Lord and you know you're you're following this message and we can fellowship with one another he will praise God you know I'm not going to make a big issue about that you know yeah I I understand that what about the you know not forsake the uh this assembling of our people together yeah that's a problem like yeah yeah I would say that's another big problem I think for me that's one of the other issues is um I think that's a that's just a big deal for me um I don't understand why you wouldn't be doing that it's it's hard to say eternal life is living for others but I'm gonna I'm gonna have church in my own home and not really ever see others it's kind of hard um but again like this gets into like okay but that's kind of how like a lot of people in Jeffersonville do Church you know so wow Mr Cross that's wow God bless you sir um you know so I'm I'm just I'm not gonna make a big deal about it because I know where that stems from right like like if if we all kind of got on the same page at a much deeper level than that then we don't need to make an issue about like oh well plus God you're not going to church Faithfully on every Sunday so you obviously can't be a believer it's like well that seems a little narrow-minded you know I mean it's like well that's not what I was saying I was like well yeah actually biological extension you know uh that it is you know and so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say that about people that are that are doing that because I think there's just you know um that's just how they're doing it I don't agree with it um but there's things that I don't agree with some churches that meet every Sunday do in their churches and so like well is one better than the other well no I just have things I disagree with on both of them and I'm not trying to be like wishy-washy or ecumenical here or just everybody can but but it's amazing how we can say like oh we we have our favorite sins you know um you know and the sin of not going to church the way and doing Church the way we feel like we someone should do like that's a big sin for us and we're ready to we're really about ready to throw people into hell over that and I just think like it's like well that guy lied to you you know it's like okay well favorite sin that's good yeah yeah so um so you know I think I think you know and again I think are there some lines are there some lines that you can draw yeah there can be some bigger issues than others but um I think in our message culture this is one of those things that I'm willing to say hey you know what I don't I don't see that I don't agree with it I'd like to see this I'd like to see you all Gathering even if you were gathering and listening to tapes I'd rather see you gathering on those little tapes and that's what I'd like to see but I'm not you know hey I'm not in charge man um and I'm not ready to just write those people off absolutely not I think there's some real true believers there so uh well it's not a uh it's not base I wouldn't say that people people don't do things based on a lack of or too much of an intellectual thing it's what they believe in their hearts you know one mistake I've made in my life with people that believe differently is trying to you know in essence you know convince them like oh you don't have a pastor what about this I'm about to try to convince them rather than no it's a revelation it really is between them and God and it would be arrogant to me to say no you're not safe because you're not doing this like I would try to maybe reason with them a little bit and say hey all almost all uh biblical and message uh precedence does this yeah branham's had a pastor you know there's a lot of precedent and there's not I can't I don't I'm sure I'm probably wrong about this but I don't you know we're not looking to condemn them by our own knowledge we're just trying to you know get them thinking about it because I can't point and look to like oh well this time but but so I think what what the other the things lack a lot of times when we do that is that we're we're hoping to win them to our side or our understanding instead of trying to win them see I mean you know we we we stop actually loving because what we actually love is our own doctor and our own points and it's like well how about we just actually love the person interesting you know like like because isn't that going to go farther if we love that brother that we love that sister then the end like then our words have a whole lot more weight whereas if we approach it because we love our Doctrine and our rightness and we want them to be part of our rightness like well I love it's because I love you that I want you to be part of my rightness but it's really about the rightness and we all know it right so so it's it's just hard to like you've got to come off of that so that we can so that we can be more concerned about the soul and the Heart of our brothers and sisters and I think that's what you know um you know that's that that's what we have to do more and we have to we have to seek God to get us more into that kind of a place because a lot of just all what we've done is essentially just it's just doctrinal profit lighting and that's not helping anybody yeah that's right I I see um certainly is interesting I mean I uh it's it's hard you're right it is hard to put it on a on a uh an absolute it's just it's um it's hard for me personally to find if we someone wouldn't have some kind of a leader but rather you know I want to talk to a guy from another country where he uh well thanks as Andrew cross says y'all are killing it tomorrow thank you brother Trevor is awesome I'm just asking the questions um but uh I talked to a guy he was from another country he lived you know a long way from any church and all he ever did was just stream stream I think we see the stream the bearing time or just listen to tapes and you know I'm thinking like it's hard to say ensure but people kind of need leadership you know and it's uh it's I would say it's in some ways it's wow in that case like praise God like like what do we want this person to do you know like they they need to be connected to something they need to have you know they need to be hearing the word of God they don't have a local Fellowship for them like um you know are you saying that you'd rather them stream brother Donny's Church than the stream you know or listen to the tape the the Brenham Tabernacle is you know because if they stream by the Donny's Church they'd have more leadership I'm just I'm just like here listening check is that kind of what you're saying not really well I did I don't know whether or not he had people locally but that wasn't the part that I was kind of uh taking issue with the part of it for me was that he was basically saying that unless everyone just did it the way he did that they were wrong like the only way anyone could do it is only listen to tapes and I was like brother hey you're far away from everybody else it makes sense for you to stream the Bram Tabernacle but yeah it's kind of not correct to say everyone should only listen to tapes what's up Mom welcome to live it's a bit it's a bit difficult to be yeah to be told that you know and again like again that's where I would say like hey you know is he is he coming at this is like do you love me or do you love your rightness kind of sounds like you love your rightness right now you know and and you talk to like 99 of the time I couldn't I couldn't hardly get a word with him he would just talk and talk and talk yeah like and so so I I you know and not just because I'm defending this because I live in Jeffersonville or something like that but like we we've seen that on the tape only side like there's some really you know there's some really strong um voices that would maybe say things like that right but but there are some really strong voices that would say like hey you have to do it this way you have to do it that way like there's all kinds of ideas out there and so this isn't uh this isn't the only place that we've seen that kind of thing like that's why I would say like Discerning the spirits and if somebody is if somebody's coming at me and saying like oh man you're just so wrong because like you go to a local church and you don't stream it's like I'm sorry God bless you love you too like hey you know I'm gonna steer that conversation just to something else because like I've got to get it based on love and I've got to get it based on the spirit of God between the two of us and if we can't do that then then this conversation is kind of over because now we're just debating levels of rightness and uh you know and I'm just struggling with that you know it's like my my tarot meter has just fallen through the floor because I've had you know you know I just like I've stopped caring about this conversation because I can't feel like that you care about me and I feel like you just want me to win you to this thing and I'm sorry like but the holy spirit's got to do that and I don't feel like you're trying to use the holy spirit in that way I feel like you're trying to beat me over the head with you know your version of rightness and and I don't I don't I don't do that to anyone else at least I try not to and I kind of expect that to come back the other way because it's got to come to me by Revelation if you're right in whatever thing you're trying to present to me the idea is is that you you're hoping that I'm Gonna Catch revelation of that and so um I was the revelation and if I'm preaching I want other people to catch the revelation of it and it's not it can't just be because like look I was preaching one time and I was like man there are times when it's just like if I was the you know the kind of Minister that people listen to and it's just like hey I want you know skirts to be x-length I want this you know like I want everybody to do it all this way and everybody just did because it was just like oh it's brother Trevor like he knows so much and like part of me is just like oh I can't tell you how nice that would be but then the other part of me is just like like like screams no like so wrong so bad like because then they're just doing it because of I because of what I've said I want I want people to have their walk their relationship you know with with a boy where their interest process we don't need a relation as long as we're all saying the right thing that's yeah yeah that's that's the that's the case in point right I mean that's that's like if we all just said the right thing and none of us had revelation like where would we be well we'd be a bunch of revelationless people without the Holy Ghost and and and that's you know that's not what God's looking for that's not what the prophet was looking for last last paragraph in the church age book we shall be able to easily quote that you know not for one moment did I come to bring a message that men may follow me or join my church but but um you know but if I if I can have one thing that I desire is that man would be in a personal relationship with Jesus Christ you know like I I mean that's that's what this is about and if I'm going to be a minister of the same message that's what I need to be doing is I want I don't want people following me I want to get them in a place where their walk with God is that is that way so someone says when big Trev speaks we listen yeah some somebody's been talking to Adeline stutzman yeah the uh yeah I mean the honestly to me as far as like all of the uh only listen to tapes or stream the BAM Tabernacle it's go as you feel like and I've never it's never um I wouldn't say affected I I didn't start really my care meter didn't go up until people started telling me Oh unless you're only streaming a brand Tabernacle or only listening to tapes you're wrong like you shouldn't be preaching at all David that's when my Carol meter goes down well I mean I wasn't Peter went up at the place where it went down it depends on what you mean by I I guess that means what do you mean by carometer but I mean it was like uh that my point is is I wasn't having an issue like with the one guy where uh where he was streaming I didn't care about that is between him and God it's not my business but when someone starts saying no unless you do it this specific way that I do you're not bride unless you're only pressing player obeying you're not bribe the issue is though it's not just it's not just a tape thing right like unless your Thunders unless you're Perugia unless you're this unless you're that like we had these things bad in the 90s and and and and and such you know it was just like hey it had to be oh don't even start Andrew I just know Jesus help us so you know like it's just it's been that it's been that kind of thing in so much right like we've we've had all kinds of doctrines that have come in so it's not just like tape only is just the newest um it's just kind of the newest one right like like all of these other doctrines were kind of big you know 15 years ago 20 years ago and this is just an another one of those is the way I see it um now I will say this like um I guess I want to be careful of how I say this but like like I understand this one way more than I understand a lot of others right because like I've I've seen churches with some some um some some pastors that I would I would like run from right I mean it's just like um you know I've dealt with some African pastors and it's like there's a lot of African culture that can be brought into message churches where they're almost preaching African culture more than they're preaching the message and it's like man I just can't go along with that and if that's if that's the message Pastor that I have it's just ah Let's cross this cross guy is kind of funny [Laughter] terrible thing you know if if if the message church that I have in the area is um is uh you know is is that man I'm gonna stay home and listen to tapes you know like I I I understand I understand why some people do because I've seen some pretty bad pastors out there and I'm not saying that you know on every everybody you know and I certainly wouldn't want to give people like the impression it's just like don't like your past stay home and listen to tapes you know so simple like no that's that's that's that's not allowing God to really do things in your life I mean that should be done if if it's like just getting extreme you know and you've you've done everything you can but I you know but I can understand I just I can just say and I can understand um even with even some of the arguments made it's just like well which fivefold you know which five-fold are you gonna listen to you're gonna listen to the ones that say this you're gonna listen to the ones that say this and it's like hey this is a fair point man you know but but I think through all of that again like what are we doing what are we coming back to because I want to hit this point this uh slowly scrolly scrolling this uh Mr James Cena cinnabond um how do you keep your head up in these doctrinal messages it can get very discouraging and that's where I would just say like I think that's where like we said that's where message culture and message is like two different things like where God gave us this message to bring us out it didn't to bring us out of denomination and the worst thing that we can do is create denomination by it and I think that's what like even David what you're saying that's what you're rejecting is when somebody says it has to be this way like you're telling me you're you've created a nomination and I have like you're not saying that I have to have the Holy Spirit and a new birth that will bring me into all truth what you're telling me is I have to have this or or I'm out and it's like well that kind of sounds denominational to me and that's what this message brought me out of so I think what you're when you asked their uh James about like how do you keep your head up it's just it's recognize the word and recognize what everybody's saying about the word and just and just and just remember like it's not about pleasing others it's not about just hey it's not about everyone's judgments about how well I'm doing it this is not a Performance Based gospel this is this is a this is about like I God is Jesus is looking for a bride and he's brought his word to a bride that that they might see and know the character he his word is his character and this is this is the big deal like we're we're always talking about rightness but what's rightness doing it's like correct Doctrine brings us to Christ it brings us more in love with Christ and this is what keeps my head above all of these message doctrines is to say like wait but is that bringing me close closer to Christ and when somebody is bringing Doctrine to me is is what they're presenting to me gonna bring me closer to Christ because if it's not then I don't know that I want it and I because I can't see how it is correct if it's not bringing me closer to Christ and so that's that you know that's kind of the the you know the in in a sense the filter that I put on what other people are trying to tell me is I'm not and and then just an innate you know sense of uh Rebellion uh you know I'm I'm the kind of guy that if you say like you have to do it this way it's like you had better convince me yeah you need the win me to your side if you don't win me so that I can understand why you're saying that just telling me I have to it's just uh it's a good way to get me to go hmm that's nice Carol meat are gone so yeah maybe two I mean I uh it's hard I mean not not with me it hasn't necessarily been because oh this is my version of Rights because I know a lot of quotes by God's grace I I looked up the quotes yeah and I've seen them it's just like it if you're saying only play the tapes why don't you just like you know listen to what the tapes are saying about it because if you would you wouldn't be doing that in some ways because like you wouldn't be saying that no if you have a pastor you're wrong but let's go into this so like on this live and out of the you know since since we had the one with you that's been over I think 600 people that watched it so there's like just statistically from that we're gonna have people that only listen to tapes only listen to tapes over there at home they don't listen to you know maybe they come from a church where they believe something weird Doctrine but it's a message Church all of these different areas and there's different ways of looking at it and we're wondering is message kids what in the world are we supposed to do because like not everybody's gonna be really nerdy about all these details and we're wondering like are we supposed to care about this doctor we're supposed to steady up and know all the quotes like what are we really supposed to do as message kids in this yeah I think I think um look the dog back again yes we need water he needs to stretch first guys no the dog's sitting right beside me what are you supposed to do what's this all about man yeah because people are probably on here just like they've never really looked into this or whatever they have but what are they supposed to do not for one moment do I bring a message to people that they might follow me and join my church or start some fellowship or organization I have never done that and will not do that now I have no interest in those things but I do have an interest in the things of God and people if I can accomplish just one thing I will be satisfied that one thing to see is established a true spiritual relationship between God and Men or in men become New Creations in Christ filled with the spirit and live according to his word I would invite plead and warn you all to hear his voice at this time and yield your lives completely to him even as I trust in my heart that I have given all my all to him God bless you and may his coming Rejoice your heart but look this is what the prophet wanted he wanted us true a a true uh uh a true spiritual relationship between God and man wherein men become New Creations in Christ this is what you're this is what you're doing right this is what we're looking to do this is what the prophet was looking to do the problem was we had all these churches we had all these denominations it was like how do you know what to do you know and James could be asking all the denominations how do you keep your head like what's the thing that we're actually supposed to do between Methodist Baptist Pentecost how am I supposed to know and brother Branham himself went through that and he's like which church am I supposed to figure out but it's Jesus Christ and so he sends us as Prophet to reveal these things to us and to call us out of denominations into what into a true spiritual relationship with Christ wherein men are filled with this spirit and live according to his word so um Andrew cross says your dog probably is probably a tape listener and not happy about this the dog has listened to some tapes I can tell you that um but uh you know so this is but this is this is the point right I mean this is why I'm saying like if someone's presenting me with their message Doctrine is it bringing me closer to Christ or not like and and I'm not gonna I'm you know I'm not gonna just passively dismiss it or just like oh that's not Jesus I don't want it like hey that the whole point of I gotta preached the whole sermon on like how so many of these message doctrines like actually show us it's just a beautiful picture of Jesus Christ so it's hi Zion so it's a big deal that we you know that we hear this because in order to understand Jesus Christ we needed this message and we you know we needed to hear what this Prophet brought because we we were missing a lot of it in in Christianity just just so much and so now we have this restored right I mean that's the whole idea this of this that's the whole idea of this message right it's it's this is a restoration of the things that we've lost and so we needed that because we've lost this whole idea of being able to have a true spiritual relationship with him because we had three Gods because we had all these other things like so these message doctrines brought us back into one God that we can know and love right all kinds of other things that we could that that would go into that you know that the Holy Spirit having the baptism the holy spirit is to have him like not just how God does stuff not just the power of God but it's the person of Jesus Christ Living on the inside that's a big deal um and and that's so different than any Pentecostal any Baptist any Methodist like it's Jesus Christ himself living on the inside of you not part of him all of him um with you and so um it's so so it's such a it's such a big deal right I mean we we just we needed this message nothing else did that for us but the point of it is to not divide over these things but the point of them is to say God you sent this word to me I want to know it I want to get into it and I want as I'm listening as I'm reading as I'm doing all of these things I want you to show me you the person of Jesus Christ and all these things and so when a brother comes to me it's like you need to be doing this you need to be like okay how's that bringing me closer to Jesus Christ the first thing I'm asking myself is this brother is his intention for me to be writer or closer that's right and that's a big deal you know so I think the lives theme is tape is is some balance with tapes with listening to tapes what should we do about some of those things yeah and you have the uh you have one of the most unique perspectives that I've seen you you went to the BAM tab I'm gonna look for like 18 years you preached there you're ordained to preach there and now you go to the Nathan Brian's Church you play tapes in church you've preached all over the world and you know when it when we were I guess the theme is you know when we've heard all these different things like you should own the center tapes you should just have a pastor do what he says and all these different things we're wondering like what is the truth on it what really is important for us is it to be more right or to be you know really just closer to God where what you're saying is right be closer to God and and don't Focus so much on like that I had a friend who believed the wrong thing on the godhead and years later now I'm not I'm not thinking or even one guy thought that brother Branham was God or something stupid like that and now in my life I'm not thinking like I'm not thinking of what is the uh the semantics of what he believes and how could I have convinced him out of it I'm thinking you know the doctrine was really just a show of uh a lack of God on the inside you know the other one was saying you know Jesus wasn't God and it's just a second person behind you it's nice talking to you you're gonna go talk to the father this other person yeah it's more about the doctrine less and they want to be more right than everyone else really that was the problem and it had nothing to do with the doctrine it was something on the inside because that's Spirit of denomination so so that's that's the issue and that's the thing that we're trying to keep our head above right is the spirit of denomination that's alive and well and alive and well in our own Hearts because it's so easy it's like hey if you just believe it like I do you're correct and then you're going to heaven because you've chose the right group you've ascended to the right Doctrine you've got the right theology man so you're going to you get to go to you know you get to go to heaven because you he he's just trying to to me to mess with us um you know 38 inch across for the Nathan Brian's hairs for the people that watch this afterwards and don't see the comments oh okay um so I have to read every comment what's up brother now brother Andrew Glover is on um you know so just just saying like hey I I come to the realization that this is the correct Doctrine and therefore I am now bride it's a very denominational way to look at things and that's why you know when we come to these different doctrines and people want us to say this or that it's like are they again are they coming at it from a from a perspective of love and care or just like hey join my group um and I just have no I have no use for the join my group thing because that's that's not what this message is about what's the first tip you ever listened to I have no idea I would have been eight years old or something like that um uh we came into the message when when I was very young my dad actually heard heard the message from um uh while he was in prison um for tax stuff um he thought not paying income taxes would be a great idea uh and uh that we should you know that it's not uh that it's not uh a um constitutional thing and all of that so a lot of libertarian kind of ideas uh landed him in some hot water with the IRS but it's because of that that uh we're having this live today because um that's when my dad found out about the message was from from prison when he was in there so if you're hearing something wrong you need to stop paying your taxes then then you you know that might not be the moral of the story just I don't know but um let's see uh James Cinnabon that's actually I've never noticed that pun actually does this bring me closer to Christ I ask myself from that from now on thank you for your advice I love that because it's like uh so what you're saying is stop asking like oh is this certain thing correct is that like I've gotten stressed out and crying before about all these different um all these different ways of looking at him like you know what you're right later on to you buddy the rest later awesome um news so what brings be closer to Christ sorry Mom mom you're messing with me here anxiety is a is a problem right I mean again it kind of brings us back to this whole Performance Based gospel kind of thing like um you know why why why am I feeling so anxious did Jesus Christ come to make me worried you know I mean I want to be right I want to be with him I should I should devote time and energy to that just like I would devoting time and energy to you know a relationship with my wife you know um I mean if I haven't spent any time with her in a long time you know I might might be a little maybe I should feel a little worried about how that relationship's looking but like you know it's it's just not do you need to go out or something dog is that why you're barking and nobody's listening so um you know I I think that's that's that's the idea is this has got to be relationship and if we're being like super anxious about things like uh it's that this is not this is not the health the healthy the healthy relationship that we should be looking for yeah let's see my mom asked uh how about you David was the first Mississippi listened to uh mom probably something you played for me when I was in the womans I mean I I don't know I remember you playing 70 weeks for Daniel for us when we were kids um I'd say the first tip I ever really listened to Children's Day yeah first thing I listened to on my own I listened to it over and over again was life story uh something like eight years old or something like that and I got it from um the uh voice guide recordings building and I um listened to life story the second part of it where it starts out and here I'll just write it out here to Hope and I just kind of scared her mother you know kind of thing I listened to that on repeat every night for that was like the most repeat was be certain of God um for me um this you know that's it's just that's that one's so pivotal to me I really liked it yeah so interesting so let's see number six just into the okay all right it runs in the family when God created humor he thought I'm gonna make the crosses yeah God God bless you brother Wayne Lawson Dwayne Austin joined the cliff oh what's up brother Wayne over the Wayne Lawson for the Randy Glover with the Trevor eamond the least qualified minister so that's interesting wow okay well like uh so one thing I was thinking of going into the interesting is um is message guy finds message girl message guy goes to church Mrs girl owners since the tapes or message girl goes to church who makes this guy listens to tapes how should they approach that um prayerfully yeah yeah of course I mean I mean I think the first thing that we should we should remember is like these are things that are like super close to the heart right so we can find someone to think oh man they're just so wonderful and all of this and it's like okay but they do Church differently like okay um well that that's going to be difficult because if you both kind of stay in the same way then what are you gonna do um you know and uh yeah maybe you should there's certain Brothers uh brother Andrew that are that are that are numbering the top 10 preachers we've we've tried to dissuade this but uh it's all in good humor I think but anyway you know it's a cross so it's humorous yeah it's it's it's it's anyhow so so these things are like like matters of the heart like it's a it's a big deal right like how we go to church is that's kind of a big deal to us that that is one of the ways in you know one of the primary ways that we're serving the lord and that we're trying to stay close to the Lord and so I think we have to be careful to to recognize that um you know this is these are these are weighty matters right this is going to be one of the biggest issues of your you know of if you were to be married it would be one of the biggest issues of your marriage and so you can't just play around with that um how should they handle that well you know they're gonna have it's something they're gonna have to talk about and they're gonna have to come to a come to an understanding and there may not they may not be able to come to an understanding um and again I think this is this is something that you know that you would that there's advice for um no matter what right no matter hey my church does it this way your church does it that way you know pick pick the topic um whatever it is it's a big deal and you're gonna have to make sure that you're you know that you're talking about this these things and that and that you're gonna be okay um and that we're not and and the other thing is it's like we really need to make sure that we're not um that we're not allowing ourselves to like fall so in love that we find like hey okay I'm just gonna let this let this one little issue go because um it's gonna come back up right it's just gonna come back up so we're gonna have to make sure that we have some some real Unity before we would even think about marriage on like how we're going to do church because then it's going to impact our children how what you know how we're going to do Church um after we have children where are we going to take our children are they going to go to Sunday school and all these things like so you know you just don't play around with that especially I mean you you wait you know you start messing with people's children and then you then then the Clause really can come out right so you know you have to think about well what about my own children with my wife or my husband or whatever like that's that's a big deal so these things are matters of the heart and you really have to go prayerfully and you really have to talk about these things um before you would you would say okay this is this is how I'm gonna do it and you have to both be on the same page age and that obviously there's some you know there's some headship involved in there I mean the husband's ultimately going to be yeah the one choosing um but the husband should seriously be considering how his wife's gonna feel about these things and if you know that this is just going to be you know this is I mean that this is this is just let's not kid ourselves this is destroyed marriages so I honestly I don't know why you would like man if if we're going to be extreme on those issues um this this relationship is is probably not going to work out like it's just I'm not saying you shouldn't I'm not saying it it's but but you're gonna have to figure out how to navigate it and if and if there's if this is if this is a non-negotiable item for you and you both have you know it's my church or the highway like just okay like let's just recognize that early on you know and live in peace and harmony with one another like there'll be no reason you know um so that there's I think there's been a lot of it have tried and I maybe some have succeeded but I think a lot of a lot of people have just gotten frustrated and it just hasn't worked out because these are real powerful things again you know these are super these are deep matters of the heart um and I'm not gonna convince somebody one way or another you know like obviously yeah I have a way I feel like maybe things should be done and I really like how our church does it you know but um you know and there's some things that you I would say that you really like because I believe that everyone is where God has led them to be and specifically like you are where God has led you so of course you know I believe that you're gonna love it because that's the way that God has led it to them yeah of course I I would certainly hope so I mean there were times that I didn't love where I went to church I I you know I'm not I'm not going to kids you you know there were times when it was just super hard you know but that was maybe a little bit different than your normal circumstance so you're saying that you know approaching point is is um that there's all these different things and we need to separate message culture from the message and maybe not focus so much on what this person said or what that person's doing really to get within ourselves The Life of Christ and to listen to the tapes and read your Bible and pray and go to church and all these or whatever you know listen whatever you know uh I said go to church um just do these things and not care so much about me well like like I think let's just have some Grace for one another and and let's let's let this be about the relationship with Jesus Christ um and let's let this message guide us and do a deeper Walk With Jesus Christ because we we have the revelation of who he is now and that's truly what it is it's the revelation of who Jesus is it's not the revelation of how to do the stuff Jesus wants you to do and and those are just just two opposite things right but often we often we try to do it that way right we try to do it this is the this is how Jesus wants us to do the things and then we preach about this is how Jesus wants us to do the things and we expect everyone else to do uh everything like we think Jesus wants us to do the things and so yeah so it becomes a culture and then and then we have and then we then we struggle when other people don't like our culture and it's like well it's just it was it wasn't really ever gonna work like that because it's not enough of a fine it's not enough in the heart to to Really to really get you so I would say like yeah if you have these two young people in there and and I think you again like I would just say you can take okay you can have a uh someone from a church that preaches and you can have someone from a church that just listens to tape or maybe they just they just stream tapes or something like that and like okay and then well do they both like are they both wondering if they each have the Holy Spirit like is that the first is that the first thing that they're both looking at is hey does this do I have the Holy Spirit and does this other person have the Holy Spirit because if if we bypass that and it just started saying well how do you do Church like you know we missed something there you know um because that's the focal point is if we're both in love with Christ you know the Lord that he is going to lead us and guide us into all truth he's going to lead us and guide us in these things um and if we're and if we're if we're yielding um he's gonna he's gonna bring it to a place where it's working out and if it's not working out it's either just yeah so that's right I mean So like um in all of this one of the things that you know another thing that a message kids deal with is what position exactly do these um see a mic penguin says uh don't look at your cultural look to Christ yeah that's right yeah a differentiating culture from um from the message is great too our message culture from the message is great too um I would say in uh one thing is where do let's say we're talking about for instance the godhead or something like that with another message person and they say something say they say Jesus wasn't God and you read or Jesus was a step whatever and you're reading the quote what what role or position exactly do quotes play are we supposed to take everything by the ramps are back to the word or we're just supposed to take what brother Brown said what about when times he said one thing in 52 another thing in 64. um how are we supposed to deal with that how are we supposed to position that as message kids as message people really yeah I think well again so this is this is a very weighty question and um and uh you're the weed guy I'm you're the guy in the weeds but I'm just the guy that asked the questions yeah hey thanks you know and then just on the other side to hear me what I have to say about this like so um I think again like let's go back to the position of brother Branham right like where's he at he's one of the Seven Stars in the right hand of God so the the authority and the power is is represented there um and so we have to take that into account we've got to remember that right so um okay so so how does that play in the doctrine well it plays huge in the doctrine we have to remember who he is um that he is this messenger now again there's you know this is probably nothing people haven't heard before you know but like we have to we also also acknowledge that he was a man and that he he learned as he went and God revealed more things to him so we look at the message as a whole way more than we look at just down to the nitty-gritty and you know and in the Bible in this in the same way there's different ways you could look at different things in the Bible and say well there's contradictions here and things like that well yeah but if you take it as a whole like it God's going to reveal it to where to where it's making sense right so the same thing with the same thing with the message like we we can have high level of confidence in the whole thing now we also have to recognize like brother Brennan's switched Body Spirit soul to um you know he still started out with Spirit on the inside soul and then body and then he kind of inverted that later on in his ministry and it's like well that's not a huge problem unless you take what he said about the soul when he had it in the spirit realm in you know 54 and then you apply it to the way he was talking about it in 62 and You Begin so it's like well there's some things you got to be careful about there's some study to show yourself approved you know and and kind of recognizing the whole trajectory of the message and I think this is why you know it'd be good for us to be students of this message and it would be a good idea for us to listen to tapes on our own and begin to really develop our own relationship with Christ our own relationship with um I gave you some back Abby um our own Abby's telling me I stole her grapes um but um you know so we need to develop our own our own walk with the word of God with with the message of the hour itself so that we can begin to kind of understand these things and I think you can you know you can use ministers and and different ones to kind of help you Wade through some of these different things too but um but if we're going to get into quote Wars about this that or the other and again they come back down to rightness like we're we're we've we've did the the conversation has just gone into Realms that it's not going to be profitable anyway and it's like again it's like well well is my understanding of this drawing me closer to Chrysler isn't it and so it's like okay you're you're trying to you're trying to offer me this brother Brandon said it this way but you're looking at one quote there's ten others there's a whole you know we're gonna bring it into the we're going to bring the Bible into this too like we we want to kind of get to where we kind of know a lot of it right so that we hear here you know we we know the full we have the fully revealed word of Christ why wouldn't we want to know and dive into all of that so and if we don't um we get we get to a place where okay I know bits of it you know and honestly like so I think like um I've kind of noticed in in a lot of Haitian culture one of the problems that they have is they don't have the entire message translated into into Creole so then a lot of doctrinal differences have popped up because they only have like like maybe one of these pastors is like he doesn't speak any English so he's just got he's just got these few things in Creole right and so he's like man boom this is the way it is this is what the prophet said but he doesn't have some of these other things that that round the picture out just a little bit more for you and so they become very hard um and this is just an example and it's not everyone I'm just you understand what I'm saying here I hope so it's like they can go hard line on this one thing right because this is what they see the prophet has said but because they don't have everything translated to bring that full picture into view so you can really get an example of here's what he said here's actually what he's done all of these things you know then then you kind of get a picture that's a little bit skewed so we kind of want to take it in its entirety um brother Nathan always says you know Genesis of Revelation and 47-65 you know we we should we we want to take it all in in its entirety you know I mean you can you can you know you can take things out of out of the scripture and make them say the wrong things too you know break the arm of the evil man you know that's a Psalm we could preach yeah I mean you know and you can get the picture that Jesus wants us to go around breaking arms of evil men it's like well I don't really think that's exactly the point of scripture now is it you know and so in the same way is the message we've got to have an understanding of it and it's in its its entirety and its generality as well as its specificity specificity and you know this quote or that quote I don't know if that yeah two ten thousand foot view but I mean like that's a I mean that's just a heavy question yeah that makes sense you're saying that it's less about oh well you know is it is the uh what role of the quotes is playing it's like no have an understanding of like how many people are asking about this that have actually listened to every single person remember the brand I've ever preached or I've listened to more than a hundred tapes and what you're saying is people sometimes will have it wrong when they haven't listened to that many tapes and they're just hearing Maybe random things and they're quoting some random quote from some other place and they haven't done a complete you know kind of steady or a look at it completely rather than just you know saying something based on being honest with ourselves we want to find out everything that he said about it you know we want to find out all that he said all that he's done you know I mean if it's like you know man you know we bring up the age-old Christmas tree debate you know it's like oh God of History godhead you know what you know like pick your pick your thing that you you can take one quote on and run with right but if you take all of it and then you also look at how he applied it in his own life and then the life of his family like you begin to see a better picture because remember all of this is about the character of Jesus Christ it's about God it's about God wanting to make himself known to his people and and in a deep uh way that connects us and calls us to to um I think brother Brandon says we're invited to mold our character into his I just love how he just like we're invited to do that like and it's like well so then the idea is to understand the character of Christ and so the whole idea of just taking one quote and bashing somebody with that or saying this is the right thing you know it's like I think I want to know the whole idea of it and and if I can get the whole idea of it then I can start to say like and Lord what are you showing me about yourself in this how is this how is this quote and all of these other quotes what is it saying about you and truly you can do that with godhead um because you know again as we've kind of briefed you know briefly touched on it like this is to understand that Jesus Christ is one and so then if you have the Holy Spirit like you have him not just part of him not just his power but you have him inside of you and then like wow okay once I realize I have him inside of me he gives me that as a gift he doesn't take it back like I have his word in me I am him in me like like I I have the Assurance of my salvation like that takes a lot of pressure off right to recognize if I have if I've been born again I have the holy spirit inside of me it means I have him and that means he's gonna take himself in a Rapture right like it's just part of me now and so I'm going so now I can now I can calm down a little bit not be freaking out about like the devil lying to me and things like that and I can I can actually serve Jesus Christ I can actually draw closer to him because I'm not so worried about whether I'm going to make it or not because he's already taking care of that you know the sin question settled in Calvary you know I mean it's just because he is the one that did it and so all of these things are things that just they should be bringing us closer to Jesus Christ and as we talk about them like I think that's what we need to get into a whole lot more is is as our conversations need to be less about like well which is the you know which is the righter way to see this quote and it's like well which is the like but what is it saying about Jesus Christ um and and if we had more conversations I'm not saying either isn't a time and a place to have conversations where it's like hey brother I just feel like you're ignoring some of these points um and we all want to have the right understanding here but I think maybe you're ignoring some of these points and this is why I might see that like that's fine you know um I think there's times when we do that but um but I think that happens so often that it's not um it's not in that way that it's just rightness Wars and I I just I just don't have time for that it into my life you know like been there done that have those t-shirts you know don't really care like I love that it's just brightness for us because I've went through that I used to spend at least when I was like let's say uh fourteen to eight yeah you know 14 to 18. I go there with 60 year old people and a bunch of stuff and all the time and you're right it was right in this Wars it isn't because you never get like an honest actual real discussion like you're a for thinking that no you're an idiot for thinking that and you never get it anyway and really you're right it's brightness if we're battling with quotes thinking in our hearts that the other person's a or an idiot like I think it's not because we care about that person yeah good point and then and then what is it we're doing that's that's not the issue you know and and so I that's again I think it all goes back to the character of Christ it goes back to the heart of God gotten to where on Facebook if I make a post and someone comments on it and that's like something that matters and I that it is I just like blatantly disagree with it or I think it wouldn't be something that would be wise because you know so that person I could have a honest real straightforward discussion but then uh but then you know someone's going to be uh immature or something like that and call somebody an idiot and nothing happens so I you know what I'll do is I'll delete their comment and then private message them and say hey look early leave your comment because of you because of others and finnier Mueller who are those guys like I'm sorry for my ignorance this is Charles spinney he wins that debate for me so when's the debate I don't even know who those guys are no it's George Mueller was the was in England he had like five or six orphanages um and he he lived just completely just completely by prayer he never like took donations um he just he just continually prayed that God would just provide all of their needs um and God did and they continued to grow and they supported orphans in in England for years and years and years he's just really amazing testimonies uh about how God would just always take care of their needs um just in time and then um Finney um brother Brenham said uh 96 of Finney's converts held that's a pretty pretty pretty hefty uh percentage there um so he just had a way of preaching it just kind of preaching it and it's like this is this is kind of the way it is and he just kind of kept taking away any excuses that you might have until you're just left with okay I'm just lost and I need Jesus and he didn't pull any punches at all I mean he was a he was a pretty rough preacher but um I enjoy him for how logical he is um but um yeah said a lot of great things you know he said a lot of great things about Charles Finney and George Mueller and you know um maybe you've heard brother random talking about like during the Reformation period during during the the Philadelphia age you know Sankey Sankey Finney Knox Moody Calvin you know he'll kind of list a whole bunch of ministers so so uh Finney was just one of those in that Great Awakening time so all right well I got more questions do you want to just end it here do you want to keep going or what do you want to do you want to do like five more minutes or sure yeah we can do a quick uh answer of this here so people say in their words every word brother Branham said was thus saith the Lord what in the world does that mean what in the world does that mean well okay so again let's go back to Revelation let's go back to this man is literally the Fulfillment of Revelations 10 7. he is the you know seventh angel in the right hand of God like you don't just um you don't just take that and say kind of willy-nilly like who gets to the side like if it's not then who gets to decide what isn't like if he's a messenger that with a sent to us with a message from God to reveal the word and tie up the Loose Ends um then who gets to say where he was writing where he was wrong like that's pretty it's pretty arrogant you know like you're gonna have you're gonna have to have better like and he was Vindicated you know like Pillar of Fire kind of indicated um you know so it's like well okay you want to say um this part wasn't right well where's your Vindication to tell me that that isn't right right so you begin to see kind of the picture that we're laying out right so then then it comes down to like well okay but brother Branham was the man like he could say he could he could say things wrong he could lie he could do all of these things like we can't make him deity no I don't think we should make him deity either and so then it's like okay now but but you should probably listen to what he has to say right and so like so I I would say like when when people are saying like every word brother Branham was said was thus saith the Lord like um I think the general idea now there are there are various differences in in extremities you know that we could go with that you know some people are very like take that to an Nth Degree and a lot of people do um some people probably don't take it you know I mean brother Bynum is almost some good suggestions to them which I think it's like wow this is this is really that's really concerning like again set star in the right hand of God like we need to understand so I mean you can go into the church age book um and and and brother Brandon will talk about um that that last messenger who has the power of infallibility so there's a difference there he doesn't say that he's infallible but he says he has the power of infallibility and that's a pretty uh you know that's pretty heavy thing to be talking about but we have to you know we have to understand what this is that we've been given as we've been given you know the word of God for us in these last days that revealed to us the the the the the the restored the word to us what's been lost has now been been given back to us because of the deception of the devil and throughout all these Church ages so what he's saying to us is that it's just a really big deal um and a lot of it was the saith the Lord you know the doctrine is coming directly from you know what the angel is telling him the Lord wants us to know so you know this is you know this is the voice of God to us in these last days you know I mean he he he literally said in one place you know I am God's voice to you like you can't just throw these things willy-nilly around like either he is the messenger or he isn't and if he is then the authority that goes with that is there and so really what we're trying to say is what we're trying to set up is like there is a there is a need and a purpose that God put that Authority in this message um and you just don't play with that lightly you just don't get to say well this was his opinion this was this this was that and just kind of be willy-nilly about that like it's a really big deal and so you can be super safe and just say whatever you said was thus saith the Lord because what we have on tape is intended for us to be you know the restoration of the word back to us so that's you know that's kind of a big deal um so so would I say it that way I don't know that I would say it that way I try to stay away from like statements absolute statements like statements that have become um kind of messagy yeah message culture like what do you mean by every word I take things really literally personally the way I push things this really literally it's just like would you like cherry pie he like hunting what do you mean by that you know yeah so I think you know um you know am I am I ever going to bridge a sermon on you know the mistakes and the message and things like that well I just think that's dumb yeah like I just you know I mean I look I get other brothers have I'm not saying that they were stupid I'm just but I think it's like it it's it that there were some problems that it created I think we had some people that that really struggled because of that you know um I'm just about lifting up that this is this message like if we didn't have this message we'd be stuck in Pentecost we'd be stuck in some kind of denomination and it we would be it would be a really bad deal right so the point of this message is to call us out of these things and it does so by bringing to us doctrines and then he Vindicated this like this is the this is the Fulfillment like there was prophecy Malachi 4 5 and 6 Revelation 10 7 Revelation 3 14. these things are prophecies laying in the word that literally were fulfilled in the ministry of William Branham you know and where you you know Noah had three pulls Jesus had three pulls brother Branham has three pulls like like this is the ministry of Christ in our day like and you don't just you don't just throw that away you know you don't just say well this part but not this part like it just doesn't work like that because like either he is the star in the right hand or not and if he's in if he's in the right hand of God then God is watching over that and he's he's using that very specifically so do we want to say that every word he said is thus saith the Lord well I can say that from 47 to 65 this message is truth this message is thus saith Lord to us um if if I'm gonna come down to this word and that word and like one paragraph versus another paragraph I think it gets a little bit more difficult but from 47 to 65 what we have stored for us on tape and that's that's to me this is the restoration of the word of God and the revelation of who Jesus Christ is in our day and that that is something that I'm not playing around with and I believe that there's the power of infallibility within that um and and and I just wanna I just want to fall under that it's it's brought me it showed me who Jesus Christ is in ways I never thought possible so I'm going to keep I'm going to keep running with it amen I think it's all really good one last question for Mike penguin what can we do to create slash maintain Unity amongst Believers well I find that the best way to have Unity amongst Believers is when they all um see things like me see it's perfectly nice so no um how are we going to have Unity amongst Believers well it's going to have to start with us um you know it's it's going to have to start with um like what what what what requirements do we have for Unity because if my requirements for Unity are that everyone has to see it the way I do there will never be Unity so I can't create something that I've already like I've already doomed to fail so um so if I'm gonna have Unity I'm gonna have to have Unity of spirit and I'm gonna have to say hey we can we can have things that we disagree on and that's okay but do we have the spirit of God um in our hearts do I have it do you have it and are we able to um are we able to do some you know are we are we able to Fellowship around the things that we can see and agree on and and and reflect the spirit of Christ in us um and and then and then draw closer and then and then I can have Grace for one another because again like my mind the way I see everything I know it's not 100 correct it just can't be like I mean it's pretty arrogant to say that I actually probably feel that but it's pretty arrogant to say that like like I hope I am I hope I'm right 8 on everything but but but but it's pretty unrealistic to expect that I am the guy yeah we and so my dad always says my dad always says we put a comma in whatever we believe so so it's like well so I've got a comma there and but I expect everyone else to have the period behind what where I put the comma and it's like that that doesn't create any Unity so we've got to recognize that there's a Unity of a spirit and we've got to discern the spirit John um first John first John 4 I think is is talking about Discerning the spirits and and and you know do you do you do we recognize the spirit of Christ in one another that's the that's the unifying thing it is not our knowledge of this message that helps that should that should be strengthening the spirit in our hearts but it's not it's not like how right I am and all of these things um it's about do I have the spirit of Christ and is it and is it um you know is it is it pouring out of every fiber of my being if I want to have Unity like the best thing I can do is just get is just gets so full of the love of Jesus Christ again my brother Brandon talks about that like like hey hey let's we've got a pond let's and we've got a fence let's let the water rise and then all the ducks can Fellowship so I can't control the Water Rising in someone else I can only control the Water Rising in me so like hey let's let's that's what I need to do is focus on do I have the love of Christ in my heart because if I have the love of Christ then I can have fellowship with someone else a lot easier than I would if I didn't have the love of Christ and they didn't see it the way I did be a lot harder I love them so that's that's the thing that unifies us see uh interest is very good you all five thumbs up this needs to be Youth Camp session in the future we'll see I don't know uh remember the Ben black uh I really enjoyed this God bless um cross across Mrs Believers are going to start spelling this instead oh God you have any final thoughts for the Trevor yeah so I'm you know I'm just gonna say like hey I I you know I try to just find a balance in all of these things you know these tapes are for us you know brother Branham had them you know they were they just recorded and I think God did it specifically for us so if you don't have the message um you know if you don't have the table app or you don't have you know all of these things you know I I would say you know get get one of these get one of these apps get one you know download the mp3s MP4s from somewhere you know um and I'm not even gonna be political on where you should get it I myself use the table app it just it's just what I've had for years and years and years like I'm just saying get a connection with the message for yourself um because you really you really you need to begin to have a relationship with the word of God we say we have a relationship with Jesus Christ but we don't we don't dive into the word that's a bit hard to to kind of reconcile that so like let's look into what he said if we love him let's look at what he had to say to us um and I would say that's our that's kind of my final thoughts is like hey if you don't listen to tapes and church that's fine I still love you you know I I like it you know if you only listen to tapes and shirts that's fine I still love you like but the idea is is that we do need to listen to tapes this is the the word of God to us in our day and and we have it for a reason so so we should we should look into it you know and then yeah and then Faithfully serve God in your church and and where you're at and listen to your pastor and you know wherever you're at serve God but we've been given a great gift and all of these things that he's given to us so I would just say let's use all of it God bless you man that's all awesome you uh go ahead and pray for us and we'll be done sure father we just thank you for this time and I pray that it was a blessing to others and uh we'll just try to talk about the word and Lord of there's a lot of message culture father that can and and just I just pray that you'd help each young person each one um that be here listening to this um to to divide between message culture and what your Prophet just said to us in this message Lord what's your word and what's kind of how we try to implement things just give us wisdom Lord but overall give us Lord more Revelation and give us a heart of love for one another that we can Lord uh all come into the unity of the faith um we ask you Lord in the name of Jesus Christ amen amen Spirit Glover says amen you can't separate the message from Christ yeah that's right all right God bless again that's awesome yeah man it's a great time we'll see you bro see ya