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Date:     2023-08-28
Title:    "What do you mean by" #0016        With Zion Emond
Speaker:  Zion Emond
Church:   What Do You Mean By
Type:     Church Service
Duration: 2h 2m
Language: English
URL:      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa3mX1xepO8
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foreign guys how's it going oh man he's fast fasting to draw very good it'll just work that would be great whenever I found how much more seamless adding people alive would be hooked up guys hey man what's up welcome to the live yeah so how was your Friday been going pretty good work went pretty pretty well today and it wasn't too crazy wrote some code caused some errors fixed some errors you know I mean exactly hi Edison what what do you do for work I'm a software developer excuse me what is that I do I'm getting there again there I do so I do I work for an agency good six I just finished eating a little bit ago hopefully I stopped burping soon after food um but wow my mind goes blank when I'm alive okay yeah anyway uh I work for agency we do Ecom custom e-commerce websites so company with that sells things can come to us and say hey we want an e-commerce website and we'll build them an e-commerce website um for example my company I've never touched this website but my company does PetSmart's website so things like that so I do the back end of the various websites that I've worked on um other people do the front end which is like you know making it look pretty and making sure this button is in just the right spot and it's the right color and it's rounded just the right way and then I make sure when someone clicks that button that it actually you know adds the end of their card and does all the right things it's supposed to do okay that makes sense that makes sense I make it work under the hood very cool all right so now we got people joining people are here I'm going to go ahead and pray and then we'll start sounds good Lord thank you for this day for all that you've given us please bless this time hope it all to go just the way you want to Father we're asking the name of the Lord Jesus Christ amen someone says what language language JS I'm guessing that's something you understand John JavaScript yes mostly JavaScript uh believe it or not we do JavaScript on the server and if that means anything to the person that asked this question um and a lot of JavaScript HTML CSS web developer stuff okay so let's see so I know you're a musician and I play by ear so I can't nerd out about music as much as you can so how how exactly do people become good musicians like people who don't know anything well to start from scratch you kind of just gotta start and find a teacher whether that be like an actual person that you would go to for lessons or whether that be just the internet finding uh like YouTube channels or whatever just finding different online resources to help you just learn and gain basic knowledge to start you know or whatever if you have access to various piano books or if even not piano uh just various music books always got to start somewhere and then the biggest like the biggest thing that I tell everybody like whenever the people come up to me and ask me things about piano or whatever every time says someone says something just like um oh I could never play piano like you could I like I wish I could play piano like you like I'm like I mean you could if you had you know 16 years of practice that's nice but they don't have that though well that's why I say start and what do you mean by start what does that mean so for like uh the piano what do you mean by start with the piano find somewhere like well first if you want to learn piano you have to have a piano so have have your own instrument that you can learn on and then find something that you want to play I mean if you know absolutely nothing find somewhere to learn the basics Ava could you not bite my dog is sitting here I might need to kick her out of the room because she's messing with me anyway hey come up here come here I'm gonna say hi everyone say hi Oh this is Ava hi Ava welcome Good Vibes to the live yes exactly we've had babies in the live dogs and exactly um so learn to start by learning the basics learning the basics is pretty boring but like after a week you should generally be able to figure out the basics understand the different notes on a piano and things like that and then just find a simple song you want to learn find and either find somebody that'll teach it to you or find something online hopefully like a tutorial video or something and just learn it and then just practice it and then once you're comfortable with that move on to something else eventually just as you practice more and more you'll develop your ear a bit more and more you'll start just kind of figuring out how things work more and more um I mean the best way to do it is just to have like a consistent teacher because a consistent teacher means two things you want to go outside Ava you better actually go outside when I open the door this time um if you have a consistent teacher that means two things that means one you have someone who's teaching you things someone who knows more than you do so you can learn from them and then two it's an account it's really just an accountability partner to make sure you actually practice and then with those two things if you just dedicate yourself to it then you can just just gotta put in the time in the work really it's how you I mean that's how you get good at just about anything is find some find a source of information on it and then practice yeah one correlate one one correlation that I found with people is you're you're very do you play by ear are you very technical on piano both okay I feel like a correlation I found with people and instruments is that people who uh appears looking good David thank you Jose um one day maybe I can help you uh one correlation I found is that people who play by ear were really good at doing math in their head but hated formulas right and people that love formulas will like to play music according to like a uh like a system or a uh a different kind of way like I hated formulas and I did everything on my head and I play entirely by ear oh that makes sense do you do a lot of formulas did you like formulas in school or did you hate them or what I learned to like them okay like it took me a while but eventually it was just like okay I'm good with this uh uh Joseph yes exactly so once you've got a little bit of technical ability it can kind of start figuring things out somewhately on your own something that's great to do is listen to other musicians and like what's what's like ideally you can watch their hands you know especially if your ears not as well developed or you can't necessarily hear it know immediately what they're doing just wash their hands and then Coral try to figure out what they're doing and try to learn something from what they're doing and even if they even if it's just one riff like you're watching them for you know you watch them play a song and even if there's just one little tiny detail that you're like oh that was really cool that they did maybe there was 500 cool things that they did but you're just watching them you find one little cool thing they did and you're like okay I'm gonna figure out how to do that one thing and then I could take that and incorporate that into my own vocabulary and have that in my own repertoire to be able to pull out and add and incorporate to my style that's something great like I did that that subconsciously once with you know remembering that entangled dude I did that once while singing uh the old man is dead and playing the guitar I did that not even I was like wow that sounds really pretty I've heard of him somewhere and I looked it up and I thought it was from Tangled and it was I'd heard it and then I repeated it randomly yeah exactly something like stuff like that where you just like listen to you know it doesn't have you don't have to go searching out for the greatest musician ever just listen to music you enjoy you know or music you enjoy on whatever instrument you're wanting to learn and then just try to find one little thing to figure out from it what is the what is the way that people can um what would you say is like the piano version of growing calluses on your fingers like compared to like the guitar for instance what's the piano version of that um trying to think because that is one thing that's a bit easier about the piano is there's a little less like stuff you have to worry about like that I guess um General muscle memory and just getting used to like a cord handshape like not even like necessarily a physician a specific position like to where you know this is where an F chord is this is where c chord is but just to where you put your hand on the piano and it can automatically go into that chord position once you have that muscle memory for that hand position then that hand position you can go and play a bajillion different chords not quite carpal tunnel um um what's that Renee and then once yeah once you have the muscle memory for that hand position then you can reuse that all over the piano because you know I taught piano lessons for a few years uh mostly when I was starting college and was one thing I noticed with like really new beginners is it took them a while to be able to consistently and smoothly play I'll just play a chord because it's just like their fingers they didn't have the flexibility or the muscle memory they just go oh okay here's the you know I need to play that chord or I need to play this quarter in that position or whatever so like even though they knew what they needed to play and they say okay I need to do this note c and e and a g and then I need to do you know this in my right hand or whatever it just even if they knew up here I wonder what to do it took a while for them to get in the fingers to do it so I guess the um you got this even though the live only says 10 people there's who knows how many people there's over 500 people who watch the one with your dad we have like five people on on average oh my word um thank you yeah no pressure at all but anyway like so where I was on guitar you know you get calluses on your fingers so you could push down the strings easier on piano your hand you get the hand shapes more ingrained into your muscle memory so that what do you what do you mean they're hand shapes like my hands are already in shapes okay fine let me go to a piano like square and let the dog in okay I'm going to let's go yeah [Music] because if I'm talking about music I have to have a piano so like when you sit down at the piano you know that this is the shape your hand needs to be in for a chord [Music] and then just okay you just have that hand shape and you can set it down anywhere and you generally play a chord you know because when you first started it can take a while to get your fingers to do exactly what you want them to do as your just as your muscle memory is developing more so just understanding that hand shape and getting to where your muscle memory can replicate that quickly okay what would you say is the hardest thing that you do on the on the piano if you like do it for us like that because the hardest thing you can do what's the hardest thing you can do by the way she asked me before I walked away the hardest thing to do on piano probably play a melody in my left hand because all I ever do with my left hand just chords and so it's extremely underdeveloped as far as Melody goes okay oh I know what it is personally this maybe not this isn't necessarily like um you know air quote like the hardest thing any pianist can do but just for me I'm just so bad at it is what's the like a bouncy I think it's like Ragtime left hand what did they saw a bass mean right [Music] I'm just knit [Music] I'm really bad at that kind of left hand where it's like bass note chord and it's even harder when I'm trying to watch myself through a camera do it [Music] I look like a horrible pianist trying to do that because yeah I'm just really really bad you're bad if you set up the camera like when you put your lyrics and just play even if we just see your face we can still hear the audio true true or I mean I could do this yeah thank you if I could just do it with both hands no problem yeah it's just the concept moving back and forth and getting it to be exactly where you need it to be I just haven't not practiced that enough in my left hand can you do both at the same time like that like that I don't know let's give it a shot yeah nope I cannot [Music] horribly [Music] show us your best piece like like your best overall piece that you can do oh I mean the earliest one the showiest one is just pull out some Beethoven [Music] yo that's amazing how did you do that practice how much practice like if I wanted to do that and months weeks and months that was amazing that one was so that was sheet music I have the sheet men right here somewhere is it this here it is for any music theory nerds out there who might know that's not as hard as it looks it's just an arpeggio [Music] it looks really hard man it is difficult don't get me wrong but Amelia what's up hey he asked me to show off okay um it's an arpeggio so like you take a chord and you add the top note and then you just kind of walking up the chord so you take just like that but just really fast ew that was horrible anyway she oh yeah it's the worst it's so bad so obviously you need to learn to read this first but once you learn how to read it then you just need to figure out how to translate into your fingers and get it um the muscle memory because at this point that is just all muscle memory from the bajillion times I have played that my parents are so sick and tired of that's all can you do the interstellar thing how does that go I probably could but I don't remember how it goes off top my head I haven't practiced that one hold on I'm gonna play this for like two seconds so I don't get copy striked it's Instagram live I post to put on on YouTube I'm not making money I'm not making money I just don't want to get enough to where I can't post anymore I don't care about the money aspect How does it go [Music] all right there you go right right right right that's the thing [Music] okay this is gonna be this is gonna be like we completely trying so this is the generality [Music] thank you and then you just kind of add a bunch of like wow [Music] thank you [Music] how oh my goodness man wow can you play the Thomas the Tank theme on there uh if I remembered how it went uh why is it suddenly coming into my mind I've never practiced that in my life I would need sheet music all right do you have a laptop or something you can look up Thomas the Train Thomas the Train the tank that's true find it I'll do it for the memes that was amazing I'm moving like yeah I'll do this basic Rhythm and then you know this little thing here where I add a thousands of things bro that was amazing so it says my whole family plus Abby definitely isn't watching this on the TV two minutes I just need to do something for me all right take your time with the boys uh okay let me go let me get some Thomas sheet music here Thomas the Tank Engine give it to me solo please solo piano and let me now turn on my piano software what it's piano software for exactly uh well just because I have this big this piano but it doesn't have its own speakers so I need to load up a piano sound how does a you know that big now have its own speakers though great question it just doesn't whatever did I do with my tripod I thought I'd put it up here apparently I did not believe it I've lost my tripod oh well okay piano sound coming up now okay as as requested I am going to try to do Thomas the Tank Engine because but I've never read the features before oh no it has the bouncy left hand that I was just talking about how bad I am that well we'll see how it goes I'm gonna find an easier version that's that looks hard beginner there's easier versions to to sheet music it isn't just all the same yeah it isn't it there's so like it just depends on how many extras you add like movie extras or what how much additional spice you add to it about one second that being finished did it with the interstellar all of a sudden you were going from simple typing down exactly like [Music] like that kind of deal okay okay I'm having a hard time finding good sheets we're just gonna do it and it's probably gonna go horribly yeah it'll go great okay [Music] okay [Music] something wrong oh juice not a g flat that's why [Music] thank you whatever is the next line [Music] okay I'm gonna give it one more shot how it goes and then that's all the Thomas you get how to change a dragon okay I can do how to change give me that one so here we go here we go here we go [Music] thank you [Music] foreign [Music] it's pretty good if he's uh fair enough fair enough I'll allow that okay now I'm gonna go pack a castle rise I'm not intruding on my brother's time playing with his friends okay what was How to Train Your Dragon how does that one go uh let me pull up the first few seconds hold on I remember give me a sec I gotta choose a key here [Music] I'm in live playing in front of a bunch of people [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] together [Music] how to change your dragon nice you know any Star Wars that was amazing thank you because the thing is like sheet music just hands it to you and you can just read it exactly as it's written by ear you have to know it extremely well in your head to be able to then put that out onto here ideally when you're reading Street Music you know how it sounds too because then the bite ear helps true uh should we just do the main Star Wars Main Theme yeah I think like the Vader one or the Jedi Temple March of the Sith theme or something thank you [Music] thank you [Music] I don't remember how that one goes awesome Star Wars Vibes oh then we go take down the Empire now yes I know I have oh I like I was like this one's good [Music] it's legit Temple March right that's the Jedi Temple March right the arena from episode two and then across the stars and a cannon padme's Love Theme which I actually really like this theme [Music] thank you [Music] foreign [Music] foreign [Music] laughs [Music] I know I should have skipped this far [Music] two three [Music] thank you [Music] foreign [Music] awesome it's really good I don't know hey you know the Darth Vaders okay last one it starts right here uh why is it happy fourth last that makes my life [Music] thank you [Music] please please [Music] can you do the deal of the Fates I promise so that's one where it requires very like doing this is one where it's like doing F10 is very difficult because I would have to do oh hold up what's up [Music] both hands I [Music] think where's the where's the other Melody come in [Music] sometimes [Music] things like that I'm bad at this one this is hard because [Music] at the same time as all the other right hand stuff requires lots of practice that I have not done but yeah [Music] thank you yeah that's what happens it goes badly in the left hand if I try anyway I did track that's really good wow like that's I I I've heard those things a thousand times so like like yeah that's that's those things man that's awesome I'm sure that's really complicated that was that was really cool holy cats like do you know any Lord of the Rings stuff off top of my head less likely I don't have any sheet music for that and I don't know any I don't know except there's some of the pretty ones too they're not really pretty ones um what's the one my guess is when you know yeah hold up hold up hold up [Music] I might be able to do this one for memory foreign [Music] foreign [Music] I've heard that that's awesome I'd love to do that do you think it's 15 years of practice that's all you gotta do it's really easy 16. yeah it's really easy simple just like simple straightforward practice for 16 years yep yep so easy anybody could do it exactly I mean I did it overnight success overnight uh what's 365 times 16. what oh yeah the the thing they say about getting being a master at something is doing it for ten thousand hours I've got to be close at this point yeah I mean you got 5840 days so if I've done it for two two hours out of each of those days then I would be at ten thousand but I definitely have not although there have been many church services where I've played for two hours that's for sure yeah oh goodness sakes a lot that is awesome yeah just just you can be a 5849 success guys exactly it's easy straightforward 16 years that's easier to say good thanks a lot wow that was really good thanks on the piano is it you think it's harder to do that in the piano or to play those pieces on the guitar it's a complicated version I don't know because I don't play guitar well no what other interests do you want to play I Am half decent at cello I can play like four chords on the guitar and I can generally toot my Ray around on a saxophone awesome let's see what is I know your dad business saxophone does it play anything else I I think just saxophone very cool what's your favorite thing to learn an instrument like from each major instrument family so at this point basically the only things that thing I have left things I have left are percussion and uh brass what would be a breast inside exactly a trumpet or a tuba or a trombone or any of the other various family related family members interesting so because those because like piano is the definitely the easiest of all instruments to learn if you want to start learning music start with piano it's just the easiest because once you understand the piano it's easy to understand the music because if you once you think if you think of everything I'm going on a music theory right so stop me if I go too long um um once you think in piano like just think in terms of the keyboard any other music becomes so much easier because what you just start thinking especially thinking in terms of like half steps the whole steps kind of deal like either going from one key to the very next key next to it or skipping a key um and how those relationships play with each other it's just easiest to visualize on the piano how the notes relate to each other and so once you understand how they relate all relate to each other on a piano it's really easy to translate that to any other instrument pulling it off on any other instrument you know and actually doing the technique okay that's the hard part that you actually have to learn but understanding what you need to be doing understanding what's going on in the music is a lot easier once you understand piano interesting so you're not saying basically that it's the playing of it almost but that once you learn piano you can learn anything else way easier yes because you'll understand it and then it would just be like the ability to actually pull it off with your hands like you know like so when I first started learning cello like in my head I know exactly what notes like because you know I'm not even playing piano for probably 10 years or something at that point I've started learning cello um and so in my head when I started learning cello I can both read music and play by ear um when I was sorry side tangent now when I uh started learning piano and dad was just told my teacher like I want him to learn both you know how to play by ear and how to read sheet music just so he can have the widest range of abilities possible and then like as I started getting older you know a couple years into it I realized that I was pretty decent at playing by ear and so that's all I wanted to do because that was fun and reading sheet music was hard and so I didn't want to do that and I just wanted to read sheet music but Dad was just told my teacher like no make him learn sheet music and so um playing by ear at my lessons was kind of the reward I got for actually learning the sheet music that I was supposed to until I realized that both were fun which one do you like more at this point playing by ear one it's just the most useful to me especially as a church pianist it's the most useful to me however um there's some things that like especially some really technical things that that sheet music you can just see exactly what it is um where it would be very hard to figure something out by ear when you just you know like some classical piece especially or whatever it'd be very hard to figure out all the intricate details by ear but sheet music is just written out right in front of you and especially sheet music for learning something you've never heard before is um is super useful because if you've never heard it before obviously you can't play it by ear and uh but if you have sheet music and you're you know pretty good at keeping a good Rhythm and just reading sheet music that you've never read before it's a lot easier to just have someone sit something in front of you and you'll be able to play it okay I'm only half decent with that as evidenced by my Thomas the Tank Engine playing earlier very cool that's that's just incredible I think I I can't do that quite on like a uh the only time I try to do this one with that I just try to figure out the chord of it yeah I think maybe harder on the guitar okay wow that's that's really good so what about like um what would you recommend for people when they're trying to like think by ear or should I learn the technical light I think if you know absolutely nothing like even to play by ear it really helps to know the basics like even you know the technical music theory Basics it really helps to know those um and then once you know the basics you know from a technical music theory perspective then whichever one more suits which you want to do you know if your goal is to be able to play Beethoven and Mozart and Chopin list and all them sheet music all the way because that's kind of the only way you're gonna do it um if your goal is to play in church or play you know to sing play to sing with or something like that or just be able to play anything that you hear learning by ear you know there's definitely benefits on both sides I didn't know that there was such a way to learn to play by ear how do you learn to play by ear exactly because I didn't learn okay how do you do that it helps if you're well it definitely helps if you're born with a bit of musical ability I'm not gonna lie like there's some people are bored and they can just barely hear it at all and they can probably get decent with a lot of work but it would be a bit harder for them than someone who was born and can actually just hear it a bit better better um but either way just basically hopefully you know the basics of the piano and you know that you know if you go up on the piano it sounds higher and you go down on the piano it sounds lower and that's a c and that's a g you know those basic things then just listen to something pick a song you want to play listen to it plunk around on the piano so you find the note this is how I would always teach because it just made sense to me I don't know if it's necessarily the best way to do it but just have made sense to me to teach it look around till you find that first note write down that note clunk around to you find the second note the next note after that of the melody you know and you're just kind of listening and then trying to replicate what you hear on the piano just like the basic note by note Melody so like I hear the melody goes and I try to find on the piano the notes that sound like so you know I can I always would helps me but I always would tell students to sing it you know it's like okay here's your first note okay so you first notice duh okay find the note that sounds like that on the piano say flunk around you know does that sound like it you know they play a note on the piano I go uh does that sound like the same no no okay keep looking until they finally found it and it's like oh okay that note sounds like that so it's great uh because then you're training the ear to translate music you hear into piano and then you can um and then you just wrench dry and repeat and then eventually you'll be better you'll be you'll just as you practice more you'll be able to do it quicker you'll be able to hear notes and be a lot quicker to figure out which note it is on the piano because as you get better at it you may not be able to say oh I hear that that's a c um I can't do that you know something you can't do perfect pitch I'm not I don't have perfect pitch yeah I have what we would call relative pitch uh what's the side tangent which I'll get to when I finish my thought here um I warned you that I could no doubt about music theory all day do it uh uh oh how where was that so encouragement someone says that Rebecca says I'm loving this by the way I watched Timothy play as a young girl then I'll learn only to believe with one finger and also amazing grace and it went from there and watched his hands and finger place exactly exactly what I'm saying that's how you're like just start doing that eventually like then there'll be a correlation between What notes you're hitting on the piano and your ear and as you build that and strength and that connection then you'll be easier you'll it'll be easier and you'll be better at replicating it or even creating your own version of something and being like okay I want to do I want to play this song I know what that sounds like and I know know how to translate that into piano because I know if I hit this node it makes that note it makes that sound and if I hit this note it makes that sound and how those relate together and I know how it relates together in my head so just kind of then goes from your ear to your hands easier as you strengthen the connection more interesting um anyway I don't remember whether I was where I was going before relative Pitch Perfect before relative pitch so I'm just going to go back to that uh relative pitch So Perfect Pitch again is like someone sings a note or you hear just a pitch somewhere um but and then you can just immediately know what note it is you know it's like oh that's a c or that's a b that's an A flat you know and that's a B flat but it's actually a little bit sharp you know that kind of thing so it's like if like people speak in um the People speaking chords or in keys or how does that work kinda like when you're talking it's a little bit harder but like I mean some people's voices are naturally higher than others but like when you're talking there's more so many sounds more than just one pitch to where it's made maybe a little bit harder to make out if you have perfect pitch but if you held out something it would even out to one pitch which would then be able you know someone could translate into something yeah if you started singing a note and I was at a piano I could pluck around and find it fairly quickly but I wouldn't just know like that what it is I see I see I think I have a similar thing because I can usually find what chords someone's playing yeah relatively quickly exactly um so then relative pitch would be like um relative pitch is kind of just a learned thing and also just having a decent year and being able to hear music and understand it um is so like you give me the starting note and say okay this note is C and then you and I hear that note so I hold that note in my memory and then someone plays a different note then I can it would take me a minute but probably I could tell you what note that was interesting okay because then that's why it's relative pitch because I know what that one sounded like and I know what that other one now sounds like and I know this one is C so now I just have to figure out the relationship between C what that sounds like and the note I just heard you know so so it's like if I hear you know uh okay let's say that's C that's probably not C I don't know what it is yeah see and then uh uh you know and someone goes duh and say okay tell me what that note is it's like okay [Music] okay that sounds like the note they did you know kind of count up the scale in my head kind of deal and she's like okay so that was that far that many steps away from that first note so it sounds probably like it's an F or somewhere is around there it might have been a g I was shooting for it to be a fifth relationship there a c in a g but I could be wrong um so relative just understanding how notes relate together and having a starting point and then an anchor Point kind of and then being able to figure out everything else based off of that Anchor Point I see so like as far as what I can tell depends on the instrument but like the way that I learned is I learned the chords and then I learned how to play them and then I learned what chords were what songs yeah and then I played it like a bunch of times until you get rid of that then you add different variations and as you practice it a thousand times whatever you add more layers and type of what you can already do based on practicing it a bunch in a bunch exactly yeah just it's just repetition is what it is really result from repetition and then with all that repetition subconsciously you begin to kind of understand the relationships between chords and notes it's something that was really cool so um I'm minored in music in college and so I did I did a lot of music theory in that and it was actually it was so cool I enjoyed it um but something that was really interesting was several times in my music theory classes they would teach something and I would be like oh that's why that works why that does because like I kind of already knew that that relationship between like notes or whatever they were teaching existed from just playing around on the piano a bajillion times and hearing a bunch of music and playing a bunch of music I kind of already understood it's like oh that works together kind of like with that you know that chord typically goes to that chord which typically goes to that chord you know and I kind of just subconsciously understood it because I had played so much but then I learned music theory and I learned it's like oh okay that relates to that because of this and so that word typically always goes to that court and I'm like oh you know what that's right I didn't realize I knew that but I guess I knew that it's a lot of knowledge I don't have like any knowledge I know like to see um I remember Alex my brother-in-law teaching me that like for instance in um Amazing Grace in G like Amazing Grace that's what it's done saved oh rich like me the rich chord is a and then you can calculate the same well the same figure out what the same chord is based on um it depends on what part to start on but yeah yeah that's about all I know that and maybe uh I know that if you're playing in D on the guitar and you have to Bar chord it's like you know B minor you could put the Capo there and playing C is the same chord but I don't just it's just it's entirely my brain I've never gotten any lessons yeah no like you kind of just know with your fingers what to do which you don't necessarily understand what's going on pretty much like I understand the I know what the I know the chords but as far as finding what chords are and what part of the song that's just my brain and like the beat the Rhythm like it's just like when I heard when I went to a Tommy Emmanuel concert my Alex said my playing went way way way way better than what it was before really just because I heard Tommy Emmanuel my brain just copied that I guess yeah I have no idea why so really it's just based on that exactly I mean one of the biggest things in learning to be a good a better musician is just listening to other musicians that are better than you or even that just play differently than you and then learning something you know pretty much uh like brother Lindo Youngs he has uh this pinky missing when it plays the guitar interesting let all of his songs all the fancy stuff he does that's what that is Pinky wow that's impressive he's still really good like I learned a lot a lot from what he did um but yeah that was that was an hour of talking about music yeah it doesn't even feel like that long does it nope yeah let's see um any final thoughts that you have about the music specifically books for people to read or things to listen to things to do aspiring musicians final thoughts and music books to read probably not so much because like unless you're just like me and you really enjoy music theory if you're just wanting to learn how to play something music theory is probably not the place to start um but people to listen to oh my goodness depends on what instrument you want to learn I mean and someone mentioned in here Timothy Rivas earlier I actually took lessons from him for a couple years um over FaceTime it was kind of cool um Timothy Rivas he's from oh cool he was from Georgia I think I think he lives in Arizona now uh I might be misinformed I shouldn't be saying facts about people without it um but anyway he had a bunch of music he had recorded a music a piano album and had it on the internet and so I had listened to it a bunch and you know there was one song that he had arranged in a certain way and I tried to replicate that Arrangement and then once I was able to replicate it the way he did it then I was able to take it and kind of tweak things and make it my own so just listen to people that inspire you and that like musically and that you like and then try to replicate it and then once you can replicate it try to tweak it to be okay and above all don't give up when you fail exactly how do you deal with missing failure goodness you just roll with it and if you don't like if you don't acknowledge it ninety percent of the people listening to you will have no idea that you even messed up like if you don't acknowledge it and you're able to just get back on what you're playing and keep going 90 of the people won't notice I hit wrong notes in church every time I play the only people that know are the ones that are sitting on the front row and can see my face go that's great how's it going but yeah I mean just keep going if you mess up that's just part of learning like whenever sometimes I'll try a new riff and it doesn't go well and I'll be like okay that is not the place for that riff or that is not the right way to do that now you just keep trying something until it works and then when it works you're like oh okay that worked there so I will add that you know add that riff that worked into my tool belt and someone says I feel like every piano player has a very unique style and sound also which is cool yeah definitely yeah they do you ever heard my sister Anna play yeah I might have I don't know certainly not recently though it's just also really good um okay she's mostly about you though let's see so I think we could talk about that for forever but we've only got like 55 minutes left here with you we could change something it does really good that was awesome um so you are how old are you again 22. when's your birthday June 30th yes yes I'm older it's in October like uh less than two months so you're about to turn 23 then yeah old man but uh so you're 22. you live I did not like turning 22. it felt bad so you're no longer a kid anymore you're officially into your life your whole life you're looking for well like kind of looking forward to getting 21 it's just like that's when I'm an adult or whatever and then you hit 22 and you're like it's over now the only difference is uh cars are a little cheaper to rent I see what you're doing there please no I don't know what she's doing um don't even worry about it uh Timothy Matt and I would play a song totally different from one another yeah it's so cool to hear how different people play different songs I feel like and also like when I play like everything has like a sound that has a rhythm also like in the way I speak and the way I say all of it the Rhythm all of it is a rhythm like if you ever like like a lot of while back has recorded voice recordings and I forgot to have music play in the background and so I was like whoa bro sounds awesome with the music it's like it's like a rhythm it's really cool exactly Rhythm okay so you are 22 you live in the highest concentration of Mrs Brutus in America Jeffersonville Indiana possibly Tucson might be higher but it sounds really close uh what's that like like maybe the perceived reality versus what people think of that versus versus what it actually is it is very it is very nice to be able to be in an area where there's a ton of message Believers you know I got to grow up with 99 message friends you know I've met a lot of people who grew up in small churches or in areas with very few other believers and you know predominantly they're friends weren't necessarily you know message Believers not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that but just you know it can make life a little harder well they can never be a true friend that a message kid can in a lot of ways exactly like sometimes you can you know I've still had some I still have some good friends from my soccer team that I was on um damn they're pretty good friends uh but for me it kind of did feel a bit like that it was just like it's never going to be the same as someone who's my friend from church or something like that there's just so much more of a connection you can have yeah so overarching you know why are you in this message well obviously I was born so that kind of happened I'll do Devil's Advocate your dad you're born in it you're the stereotypical dad is a preacher you know you're just saying because that is and you live in Jeffersonville like what more do you need right exactly exactly I could just sit on my couch and do nothing because I'm obviously going to heaven yes sarcasm for anyone listening and if anyone agreed with me go to your nearest church and find the altar um what was that Vision like for you raised in the message your dad's the literally the message known as the message teacher what was your uh personal like Journey like getting into this what was your personal um testimony of how you found it where it actually became real to you and not just the what but more like the why um I love this hi Camille I see Camille join anyway um you just missed the music rant for an hour anyway how I how it became real to me and more than just I was born so this is doing what my dad says do because that seems like the thing you do um I remember [Music] uh there was a specific time like I don't remember exactly I remember which questions I was asking my parents yeah because as I got older and you know grew up going to church and things they became a point where I was kind of like oh what did I which one was it I don't remember exactly what the question was that I asked I might have asked why we listening to brother Branham all the time or something like that I don't remember um something to do with that I asked something to do you know I I was fairly young at the time um and in essence you know after whatever I asked Dad ended up basically taking me through the Bible and explaining you know just like why we believe in a modern day prophet and why we believe brother Branham is that prophet and all of the things and just as he was taking me through each scripture and each connection and how the scripture is all connected together like because it wasn't even just that well because this um I think this was twofold excuse me in that it was both me grasping and understanding why the message is true but also how true the Bible is kind of in the same instance um so I'd ask Dad whatever question I asked him or whatever and so he sits me down on the couch in the living room and we're going he's taking me through the Bible and how all of these scriptures connect together and point to why we believe there's a seventh angel prophet and like a light bulb just went off in my head like my mind was blown it was like someone turned on a light switch just like oh my goodness that's so cool like just how everything in the Bible connected together and he took this scripture from hearing that scripture from there and that script from here and put them all together and they all fit together perfectly and and just showed exactly what we believed and why we believed it it was just so cool to see and like really like wow that's like there's no denying that that's real like I see that I can't there's no way I can unseaten that because it's just true and so that that's review is a particularly defining moment you know just like like okay this is not like I believe this this isn't I'm doing what daddy told me to do you know because I was born and cut my teeth on a church pew uh um well not on Church Peter the Tabernacle doesn't have peers but that's another story um we had chairs anyway uh where was I well yeah it became more than just like I'm a good little you know third fourth generation Christian whose parents and Grandparents were Christians and message believers then just like this is real to me and like I just see it's truth why what is this like that's really good but what's the specific why is it real to Zion demon so specifically what like why is what real the message the message yeah like there's the there's the obvious you know the scriptures that line up but specifically in your heart how do you know this is the true thing because without it nothing makes sense at all what does that mean so like um everything that I believe in the message and everything that we would typically call you know message doctrines or whatever like it'll just make so much sense and if you try to take away any of it like everything just falls down like a house of cards yeah I was thinking that yesterday like someone was saying go ahead sorry someone was saying like they thought that the message is wrong or whatever else and I'm thinking like you know I've never noticed I've noticed a reoccurring theme with anybody that wants to say the message is wrong they're never like it's wrong because it's wrong that's what they do but they never say what's better because I'm thinking like just apart from the meat of what they're saying and what it means the opposing thoughts and this intellectual whatever yeah what's better what do they actually have in in in contrast to it exactly there's nothing nothing exactly like it's just I don't and you know like they said to Jesus to whom will we go absolutely nothing better and like like you take away the message you gotta throw away everything you know about the Book of Revelation just Chuck it out the window you now know nothing about the Book of Revelation nothing not a single part of the Book of Revelation makes any sense except for like okay at the end of time he's going to come back and the devil's going to be thrown in you know in in like a fire cool I understand that part of Revelation other than that just like you know like my um like I heard like I heard uh someone said one time just like man some of that it just seems like John had a bad slice of pizza before he went to bed that night people that say something like that it's just like really exactly and and professing Christians too this the amount of like regardless of denomination I'm just what makes me think is when we get to the point where we can say like this scripture this whole book of the Bible that's just like bad Pizza where does it stop exactly it's what I'm saying and so like yeah it's just so clear because it's been revealed in the message and without it there's just nothing and you throw you got to throw away that and it's just like okay what else do you got to throw away well probably well there goes your understanding of godhead now you're back to being trinitarian yep and then any number of other things just like do you even know who God is anymore yep that's right what uh when do you think that you received the Holy Ghost and what was that experience exactly because there's the obvious repent be baptized we all know that one was the other thing how can you invite your bestie to this uh just have them request to follow me and I'll accept their uh request and then I can they can join live um so let's see I know when it was I'm just trying to remember the details um I never wrote it down anywhere and every time I say this every time I tell the story I'm like I should have written it down somewhere I never do um it was around around it was at the end of February and I want to say 2015. give or take a year somewhere in there um end of February well okay backup that's when I actually got the Holy Ghost but before you know a few weeks months I don't remember exact timeline before that I had started like actually like going like okay I really want the Holy Ghost I'm seeking the Holy Ghost now like I was baptized at a fairly young age I think I was only six or eight or something when I was baptized um which like I understood what I was doing completely and totally when I did was baptized excuse me um but you know then it was until I was a bit older that I really understood about the Holy Ghost and how you know there was more to be had um and so anyway I had started seeking the Holy Ghost and kind of really praying and asking God for it and then at one point I we took a family road trip to Pennsylvania to brother sank to brother sanger's church I always forget his first name uh and anyway they were playing a tape and at the end of the tape brother Brandon said was was speaking to the one specifically who wanted to receive the Holy Ghost and he was saying and he said like to find someone to pray with you about it to talk to and pray with you about it uh you know so that you can receive the Holy Ghost so then I'm praying and seeking the Holy Ghost this time so we get Triple goes trips over we get back home and then I go and I talk to Mom and Dad I'm like hey you know I'm really seeking the Holy Ghost uh yeah I really you know I really want this and it's something I want you to create with me about pray for me about it and that was kind of a big thing for me because for some reason I don't really know why but for some reason just saying just going to Mom and Dad and saying that was hard and I don't really know why it was but obviously since it was hard it was something I needed to do um so I did that and then you know over the next few weeks months or however long it was um I'm praying to get the Holy Ghost you know making sure there's nothing in the way between me and God and that you know did I repented of everything and there's nothing missing so I just keep praying and then one night in a in a service in the Tabernacle listen to a tate brother Brandon says um at the end of tape brother Brandon's praying for those that want to receive the Holy Ghost and he's praying for a number of people um and then he says you know it's just like you know anyone that wants to receive the Holy Ghost you know stand up on your feet you know and accept it kind of deal and I did and then when I at that point when I stood up and raised my hands like there was just this warm feeling that came over me and it was just like such a piece that was just kind of unexplainable at the time it was just like like it just got really really touched and I knew something had happened I wasn't 100 sure exactly what had happened but I knew I was just like okay I've been seeking the Holy Ghost and asking God for the Holy Ghost and something just happened I just got something here and so I said you know so I told Mom when I got back home that evening it told Mom about it uh and I said I don't know exactly if it was the Holy Ghost but I guess it'll just you know watch the next months and keep next few months and you know watch my spiritual life the next few months and keep praying and see how I feel and then after that it was just like definitely the the change in my life spiritually and just how God was born in my life and how I was growing more I could say it was definitely that was whenever ghost how did you know specifically though that that was the Holy Ghost compared to your life previously it's a little bit hard to say well there's a couple things like generally there was a couple things specifically that I was going through and you know there was some Temptations I was dealing with and certainly those got a lot easier after I got the Holy Ghost not that I never struggled with anything or was tempted over it again but it was just like it's got a lot quicker and became much less of a problem much faster after I got the Holy Ghost um and then uh generally though like I feel like I have those are pretty good kid so like it doesn't you know it's not like I was this horrible jerk and then I got the Holy Ghost like then I was this great person um I feel like I've been a decent person but just still just seeing my life be able to grow from that point on it was just like well I mean I certainly wouldn't be where I am today if I didn't have the Holy Ghost yeah I mean the uh I guess when we're putting it that I saw the testimonies from cwt was um when the feelings and emotion are gone and like with your dad preachers like what happens in months going forward and um your life has just changed you're just different and unique things based on the life and the reasons and the love rather than a rule book and it's more of a relationship with God and not a checklist so you can justify yourself exactly let's see okay well I know you're preaching now how long you've been preaching I was ordained so I could I guess I could tell that whole story I was ordained in October 2019. what was the first time you preached um first sermon I preached would have been watch nights 2019 going into 2020. I only preached I think I preached for like 10 minutes at 12 minutes to 38 seconds so um I don't remember the exact time but I know it was like there was like three or four brothers brother Nathan had preached that night for the watch Night Service so I mean like in a uh and he had so he a lot of this each shift like I think he logged us each 15 minutes and I definitely didn't use my full 15 minutes yeah so within the context let's say of you're in Jeffersonville you're around people that think that there should be no preachers at all what was your uh your process like and your journey likes where you know God's calling you to preach especially in Jeffersonville Indiana how did you know that it's God I told you no politics bummer no I don't know you're good um well that was like you know it was a big thing because I knew it wasn't it was I mean obviously for anyone like it's no it's not it's it's no small thing to be a preacher I'll be a minister it's a very big responsibility man and so then like you know on top of that being here in Jeffersonville was like okay you know I really want to make sure about this yeah what was it like so the first time I ever it ever occurred to me seriously like you know I'm obviously growing up your dad's a preacher it's just like yeah you know it's just like you know maybe just like yeah thank you we appreciate dad's like yeah who knows whatever we'll see what happens you know but like you know never really seriously considering it and then one time it was after a camp and in that camp I had been interviewed you know for that time to put on the website um and just talk about my experience at camp and I was I had watched the no I don't know if I watched the interview afterwards anyway I was thinking about my interview at the camp um and I was just thinking about the different things I said and if there was other things I could have said that would have helped people better and it was very it was just me thinking about how I could have since it was that interview which would have been more of a public setting if there was anything else I could have said that would have helped people more and then all of a sudden just this thought popping in my head of just like is that feeling the call to the administer and it was just like like it seemed unrelated like that didn't really seem like something that would make me think that but it just kind of appeared out of nowhere and then like so that was in the middle of service uh towards the tail end I think of no beginning or end of a service I don't remember which time when I was just kind of sitting there praying um and I was it just kind of hit me really hard just like like it wasn't just a passing call like it stayed there and weighed on me uh like are you like maybe I maybe God would call me to be a minister I've never really seriously considered that before but suddenly I'm very seriously considering this um so almost where you knew that people were going to see your testimony and you could feel like people are gonna take what I say to heart and they're gonna it's gonna affect them almost even their soul and almost you're saying that caring about that is almost what made you think when you're praying like golly I'm gonna make sure what I'm saying is the right thing and then that much preaching her something like that uh so yeah it was something like that and so then I was really sitting there and thinking about it and really praying about it and then over the just over the next uh I think that was um I think that was would have been two years before I ever even before I got ordained it was when that moment so like you know I sat on it for a long time uh but there was just so many things that happened over those two years I'll go into details with some of them but just first the general overview so many things that happened over those two years where it was just like man like it would every time it'd be just long enough before something had happened where God was saying like hey folk you're supposed to be a minister okay you you know every time it hit me just long enough before the last incident for me to kind of conveniently forget about it and stop thinking about it God would make something else happen that would remind me of hey you remember this thing and I'd be like all right I guess that's a thing maybe I should pray about that again so you're thinking maybe you ran from a little bit a little bit not like really hard or like but it was just like I mean it's a big deal and I didn't want to like it was would have been means like it wouldn't have been easy so I'm just like I don't really want to do that that sounds really hard so I certainly wasn't jumping it at my first opportunity to do it that's for sure um yes if if trying to forget about it counts as running from it then yes yeah yeah a little bit a little bit a little bit yeah um there was like why did you want to forget about it well just because well I also like because if the thought went away and never came back then it would have been like okay that was just a passing thought and that wasn't really the Lord trying to tell me something but nothing the thought kept coming back and kept on me coming back and kept coming back and it was like okay that was more than just passing thought or two or three or two dozen so I remember there was one thing I was like really huge for me when you one experience that was really huge for me and accepting that was uh it would have been by Steve either 2018 or 2019 I don't remember which one one of those two after some of these details I say you might remember I don't know uh so I'm going to byc I'm at the camp oh it's storming outside um I show up in my dorm and there's like three or four oh look at that campers my age better ministers in my dorm one of which being you uh it was like you there was David Hawkins uh Jesse Potter yes maybe um I don't remember exactly but there was enough to where it was just like okay there are young ministers my age you know and it's not just one-offs yeah um so where that was on my in my head and then um I don't remember there was so there's two other things that happened to byc at that byc I don't remember the order in which they happened but in any case there's there's one service where I remember who's preaching but he was talking he got to talking about gifts and callings and just the way he was talking about it it was really Wayne Eddy on her mind and I'm really thinking about oh goodness you know am I called to do this you know so I'm thinking about this I leave service I'm headed back back to the dorm I see a couple other friends of mine headed to the same dorm you know so I follow him with them one of them I don't remember exactly who it was I think a girl was I don't know um one of them was the other well I was talking about their experience of how they first felt called to be a minister yeah so I come out of the service thinking about this right yeah thinking about am I called to be a minister whatever I walk into a group of friends who do not know this about me they know they're just they're just having their own conversation just two friends they're having their own conversation I walk into the conversation coming out of service thinking about this guess what they're talking about how one of them felt called to a minister wow uh so that happens you know life goes on another thing that happened to that same same byc I don't remember what it was before or after that is if I just walk into the dorm one day in the middle of the day nobody in the dorm except for David Hawkins and me I think there's just him just us too I walk in the door he's in there you know he says hi and he's just out of the blue it's just like hey your dad's a minister right and I'm like yeah he's like have you ever felt called the administered I'm sitting there like I'm praying about it like why you gotta ask me that I don't want to hear that right now oh so there might have been a couple other things that that happened at that camp too I'm trying to remember but specifically those two things are huge you know and then it would be like every few months you know nothing would happen and then all of a sudden it'd be a little something where someone would be like you know like you know an older visiting Minister would come visit Church you know and would you know I'd be standing there with Dad as he greeted him and the brother would say like you know is he preaching yet you know referring to me because it's you know not that that big of a deal for someone to say you know I'm the oldest son of a minister that makes sense for someone to say right you know what I'm sitting there thinking about it you know and the Lord's dealing with me about it and they say that and I'm like um you know so that happened several times and then finally there was one service where brother Nathan you know and I talked to Mom and Dad about this so they know I'm thinking about it but I haven't talked to my pastor about it yet this is one service I'm sitting there in church brother Nathan's preaching my pastor um about I think it was also something about gifts and colleagues I don't remember that was the subject of a sermon or just something he got on in the middle of it and goodness sakes he was all over me like he was preaching all over my guess and callings and stuff and after the service I was like fine I'm gonna talk to I'm gonna talk to him tell him I want to be ordade and so I got my dad for moral support and I said hey I'm gonna go talk about Nathan so we went down and talked to him I was like hey you know I've really been feeling that I might be called to be a minister I'll give you the too long didn't read in a minute Tom that's Thomas uh and he said okay he said we've got a Bible study in November youth Bible study that you can lead if you want I was just like I was kind of hoping we'd wait several months before I demanded it uh but he said you can do that you know and so we did that and then a little bit after I was me and a couple other brothers because there was a couple other younger brothers in my church at the same time who were praying about the same thing and had talked about anything so then we all got ordained at the same time yeah and the rest is history so the too long didn't read version is uh Lord had Lord dealt with me for several years for a couple years I think about how I was called to be a minister and I didn't really want to at first but he didn't let me forget so I eventually brought that up and went and talked to brother Nathan my pastor and got myself recording so how long how long you've been preaching them so that would have been the end so it was October 2019 so this October would be four years see almost four years wow goodness how many times have you preached and not a whole ton uh I think I am at eight or nine sermons so oh let's see so those eight or nine statements are not all different so I mean some of those are duplicates um because there's a couple other pictures I preached at and I was able to repay the same sermon um even those the same notes and everything is still a different sermon exactly true um happy anniversary thank you Thomas uh uh let's see a sermon called well my first ever sermon was the Life of Christ in you reaching about how you need the you need The Life of Christ on the inside of you which produces a life that you live and so like having Christ on the inside of you will produce certain actions in your life was the idea of that surroundment that was only like 10 minutes um and then after that but I preached uh what was the what's the one I don't remember the title of it oh false contentedness what does what is that so basically basically like being content when you shouldn't be like you think you you think you like kind of like being satisfied sorry um and uh so that one was like being content with things you shouldn't be content with and kind of like growing stagnant like growing stagnant is not the same thing as being content and so it was kind of bringing out the difference there and being like don't just be content with where you're at in your walk with the Lord like yes we can test where you're at in the walk with the Lord but that doesn't mean like I'm good where I am so I'm just gonna sit here yeah what nothing going um another one I preached was one of my favorites I think that I've done so far was called Canaanites today and writes tomorrow what does that mean what is that based off of a quote or brother Brandon's talking about um when the Israelites were taking back their land and oh because based off of both a quote where brother a quote with Brothers talking about a particular scripture and and um oh goodness so there's God's talking to the Israelites and says like I'm not going to drive the enemy from the land out all at once but little by little will I give you back the land paraphrase but generally what he says you know and so then brother Brian I'm talking about that scripture says something along the lines you know talking about like in just getting the victory over anything in your life whether it be healing or whatever you know you know like if you with healing like you know if you can't move your hand today which is like okay well like maybe you can only move your finger just a little bit today well maybe tomorrow you can move it just a little bit more and then maybe the next day you can move it just a little bit more and then maybe the next day you can wiggle the whole thing you know just like one step at a time you'll get it you'll get your Victory okay um and then he says like you know like so for when the Israelites were driving out the land he's just like you don't have to drive him out God may not drive him out all at once maybe it's just Canaanites today and then tomorrow we'll get the amorites so that was the idea for the title Canaanite today and rise tomorrow it may not happen all at once but it makes but it still is happening that's awesome awesome do you remember uh titles usually come in through your sermons usually come from titles there's an overall thought how does the how does the sermon kind of formulate itself in your mind what you preaching um the format for me personally I get the title and everything else comes from the title me personally generally that's how it goes I think I have more of an idea first than a title like kind of a subject and then sometimes that subject is the title like one of my sermons was identity and so that's just that's pretty straightforward subject to title we're kind of the same thing you know canine today I'm right tomorrow not necessarily the same thing there was Canada nice today and right there was a couple versions before that type I finally settled on that title so like I have an idea a subject it's just like I want to preach and get this across so the idea oh okay nice and Dave Anderson started off as little by little so like that was the subject and ironic starts off a little bit a little I can't say I'm right exactly so like that was the subject and the title all together but then I came up with a better title interesting that's good let's see the uh so like do you have a moment where you realize this is what God wants and it's so good like what's that moment usually like when you know this is what God wants me to preach oh goodness um I think the first time well like well one time that I distinctly remember that is like it was with kmf today Ms that's probably because that's probably the reason this is one of my favorites that I've done is because I feel the best about it um I was preaching it I preached it at a small little church um there was probably 20 people there Maybe you know compared to my compared to my home Church where there would have been you know 100 to 150 people that I've been preaching to um size doesn't mean anything but just mentally um it seemed like it might not have been that much but then I preached and it was the longest I've ever preached really how long uh it was I think it was a little over an hour and I could have kept going because what made you stop it was well I mean I got generally to the end of my notes and it was just like I mean I could have probably squeaked out another 10-15 minutes but I was at the end of my notes I probably should have just it was probably time to quit but it was the first time where it was just like it's like all my other sermons up to that point it was just like I really hope I go I really hope I get like I preach for long enough and I Don't Preach too short and I have enough today how long is the average at this point is probably like 45 minutes um of the eight or nine so like you know I don't have a whole ton of data to go off here um but does your past like give you a time limit or did you say it goes you for a letter how does that go the understood time limit is generally try to keep it to 45 minutes to an hour if you go over an hour it's not you know it might it might be a little annoyed yeah he can go over an hour but also true like you know there's some people that go over and out some ministers that go over an hour and it's just like the spirit was moving and it's not a problem but generally the general rule is Xeno she's like 45 minutes to an hour let's see I had one one time that was uh it was only 30 minutes but it uh it was action-packed I said it was like the most you know wow full so much stuff and I'm so nice to talk pretty fast but yeah um and also you can get way longer with an interpreter as well but one of the things oh well just don't look forward to it it's hard it's a whole different thing I've been to plenty of services with my dad where he's done it and that does not look fun it's a different thing and we it's weird because what you feel yourself doing is and the Lord said this and then he said that and you find yourself talking in this really different way and it's really weird but like something my dad told me that he helped is uh retain the seriousness and keep the like seriousness do you really follow do you really follow your notes or do you just get lost in them sort of the anointing that is great you go first then I'll answer okay oh yeah if you guys have questions shoot them our way by the way yeah we got another 15 minutes now because I have questions um I think that was that was one reason I think I enjoyed I liked that sermon so much the canines Mars because that was the one where I'm wet the most off of my notes I mean I still followed my notes pretty closely but it was the one where I was definitely like the delivery was the best and I was the freest and just kind of just preaching was that the most recent one or no it wasn't the most recent I've had I think one or two since then um why was the most free you felt though why did you feel like that was the most free pill I don't know I mean maybe it was because there was less people there and so I wasn't worried about it maybe I don't know I mean I think it was just like I must have just been really preaching what somebody there needed to hear and so God is just using it I think is really what it was yeah exactly exactly have you ever had people come up to him and they're just like that was just for me or they tell you some random thing about what they're going through and you had no idea it makes you feel better after you preach it hasn't happened too much yet but a little bit okay like uh how do you usually feel though after you preach you feel sad happy tired out or what depends it's um well the day after a bit tired usually um especially if it was just like I really got to preaching then it's like the day after it's just like I'm almost need to take a sick day are you like you like more of a teaching style but you really get intense into it or what as so thus far I have not been super fiery um you know probably a bit more on the teaching side of things teaching air quotes I wonder where you got that from yeah I know no idea where I could have got that from that's um but if still drains you if it's like a totally like you're the next day or even the night people say like it's 20 battery David or you'll like it's weird because you can physically do stuff but your brain they'll try to think of something to say yeah and your words just don't come to your brain as fast it's really weird no I totally get it because yeah exactly how it is uh let's see when she asked um uh do you really excuse any of it but he's part of it exactly so like generally when I go in I have I have notes like the way I've organized and it'll probably change you know as I get more experience and I get more comfortable preaching and get better at it you know but currently as I'm starting like probably anybody could take my notes and preach the same generally the same sermon from it because I have like a lot written out you know all my scriptures and quotes and then I have like I have scriptures and quotes and then in between them I'll have like what I wanted to say about each one and how I wanted to form the thought see are you like a sniper preacher where you like a helicopter you stay in the same spot are you more like a fast one you go from here to there amongst the people are where you usually stay a Pulpit preacher Micah whatever oh there um kind of kind of back and forth a little bit I have yet to leave the platform that hasn't happened yet interesting um if you know I'm feeling comfortable if I'm actually going left and right and not just standing there behind the pulpit holding the mic yeah have you preached these series yet what a series okay so I don't like it I mean it's an opportunities to preach often enough to create a series let's see uh let me answer this question also keep in mind like at my church we have like a dozen ministers so it takes a while like 13 or something yeah it's ridiculous they take a little cycle through everyone for everyone to get a chance to create each other than the past also all the preachers in Jeffersonville as well you know exactly oh I see that was a joke um I wasn't I didn't mean that is a joke by the way any any we have through too yeah you know yeah let's see so they said do you really follow your notes or do you just get lost in terms under the anointing um let's see dad what that told me is the notes are there for when we lose our when we lose the inspiration like scriptures and quotes will always be true um generally I stay from the Pope I at the pulpit I guess depending um I may Veer off past the podium depending usually just from the thing I'll go from side to side a little bit you know we have a picture of Jesus right here one time I was preaching somewhere and they had a picture of Jesus over there and I pointed at nothing on the point like oh I'm sorry it's over there but uh it's the notes of their formulas when we lose the the inspiration if that's really what they're there for because what I struggled with in some ways of preaching is we got the inspiration by God's grace and I had to put more focus in on the mechanics not the Dynamics as they're there but the mechanics like how am I going to formulate this how is this going to be exactly and one thing I've never it's a hard thing to know and I think it's just God where somehow all of the notes all of everything somehow I'm not even playing but it quits exactly what dad wanted to be 45 minutes 30 minutes exactly I don't know how but that's just there and even though like sometimes I'll like put like uh usually I go throughout Bible characters for the lesson or for like for the sermon title at the end I'll put like if extra time go through this character this character yeah for some reason each time it's almost perfect by God's grace some I don't know why but I I don't know why I can't explain that but if we sometimes we will get lost we're not lost under the anointing but like you'll know this other than the scriptures and the quotes and the notes that we read 80 of what we say isn't on the Note and we didn't plan it at all and like well the most recent sermon I preached actually okay I'm not sure no I just remember this one so I don't know if can I say Amherst tomorrow was actually my favorite definitely these are my top two was that one in my most recent one the most recent one is why the message is not a denomination I'm not going to get into details about that because if I will I will run out of time it was I really I really enjoyed preaching the preaching that one there was you know kind of a hybrid of preaching and teaching in that one of you know teaching like what a nomination is and why the message isn't that and then preaching like stop making everyone yes um and so that went really well and I felt like in that like there was a lot of things that weren't necessarily on the notes things that like you know sometimes sometimes a quote will come to memory that would be perfect for the situation but that wasn't in the notes do you ever get it where you're reading over the same thing and somehow you see it in a different way you've ever seen it before you're just like wow yes what would you think people get wrong like when people like people people were like getting mad at me recently because I would say I'm a preacher which what else would be would I post about me you know that's the thing we want to say about ourselves this other stuff but what do you think people maybe get wrong about someone saying they're a preacher because it isn't all glamor we're not saying this is the most amazing because honestly it's the most stressful thing there is um um it's the most stressful thing there is it makes me it'll make you feel sadder depressed you can even feel suicidal um you can do all these different things it's not a big glamor thing you're actually saying hey I do this thing that makes me more stressed than just about anything else so what do you think people make make it wrong about what they consider maybe a preacher I don't know I mean maybe some people think you're just like someone who would just like put that out there as a big as a one of the first facts we learned about them maybe someone would think that it's like they just think you're prideful or something but I mean I don't think that's necessarily true I think that's like I mean that's a big part of me like being a preacher is a really big part of something and so of your not necessarily your personality but like it's a big part of your life that's what I was looking for yeah you know it's not a big part of Who You Are so it is who you are you're not pre like I tell people the only question you and me and let's say my little brother Thomas is sometimes we go behind a Pulpit the other 99.9 of Our Lives of our preaching is the life that we live exactly um see someone said I feel like the power of the young preacher's brain is on point I went up preparing God made it happen for me I was really in a difficult situation with my daughter and I was terrified well praise the Lord that's that's great well what would you say like I'll I'll say what I think the question is what do you think your mission is in preaching if I'll answer quick and I'll have you answer then we'll wrap up but so like it depends of course but lately what I've found that God is leading in is you know the titles that I preached what are you fighting for give God everything um just different thoughts of what are you doing with your life you have in everything you have these things that you have and what are you giving it to where is your true desire because people make happen what they want to make happen people make time for what they want people do what they want and um I feel like part of my mission like it's whatever God wants but part of it is to put into words some things that people don't talk about and to uh I'm more of the fire preacher honestly yeah I don't know if you've ever heard me but I I can get there pretty fast um but uh like I want to do a thought on um know thy enemy because so many people like let's see what are my preach like give God everything and it was towards the end you know it'll go accordingly Saul and David to where Saul initially gave God everything and then he changed to where he was giving this Strife against David everything and it consumed whole being until actually he made things right with David he said he was wrong he kept why I was thinking like why did he end up being saved by says Samuel it's because he kept on fighting God's back which he's like yeah whatever I'm not the king but I'm still going to fight uh the Philistines I don't care what you say and he kept on going so you know of course sister do whatever God wants and the solid um but I feel like it's too uh honestly in some ways Mission as a young preacher is to stay in it like I've had very people who uh are very fiery preachers but they're not in the message anymore stay in it and keep going but let's see I think being very relatable different situations where people feel hopeless or helpless and that night he went to our father on my behalf we'll think I see what do you think is that what's what do you think your mission is my mission would be in preaching would be to would be to raise the faith to people and then hopefully offer perspective on something that they maybe haven't looked at in a specific way before and remind them of things that maybe they haven't thought about recently and and overall just bring out the truth in the scripture and the message in such a way that it draws someone closer to the Lord and helps improve their walk whether whether the improving their walk happened in like hey hey stop doing this sin or whether it be improving in their walk be like here's something else about God or whether it be like God loves you or whatever the sermon title may be or topic maybe something that would improve their walk and you know kind of like what it says there in Ephesians 4. um for the perfecting of the Saints and the edifying of the body amen that's so certainly I don't say that like I'm gonna make people perfect like certainly I'm not saying that but like to edify the body and to help you grow in your walk is what I want to do and because it's not me doing that it's the word that's doing that so me presenting the word that's because that's what I want to do is I want to present the word in you in front of you in front of the congregation in front of someone in such a way that they can be edified and learn from it and be just that much closer to being perfected by the word amen it's the uh it's the call and like repeat I think that people maybe don't know is like Canaanites today amorites tomorrow give God everything um uh uh danger a vital time the power of a made-up mind these are all sermon titles they didn't come from us thinking like I see 10 people and this is what they're doing wrong exactly it's about ourselves and our walk and we know that it's gonna be the same for other people too yeah like the biggest you know and I think one of the most important things as a creature when you're coming up with a sermon make sure you're not just preaching that because you think someone specific needs to hear that like there's there's so many ideas that I have shelved because I realized oh that sermon idea is just because I want that person to hear that well next idea that goes on the Shelf until maybe it'll be a good thought one day but it needs to be not I want that person to hear that so back on the Shelf you go because that is the role saying in that sermon and not enough God in that sermon you're right I've also felt like I have uh some sermons that I can't really preach until I'm 40 married with kids that's fair too oh man like yeah definitely um anyway Zion has been really really good um I'd love to have you on again because I feel like we could go on and on people and now people know the format and what like what it is and they can ask different questions and all that um what tapes would you recommend for people to listen to let's say someone who say someone who grew up in the message they're in it and now they're just like they're just now getting to listen to tapes more and they maybe ignored it their whole lives and now they really want to get into or what should they listen to so I have that I really like to recommend this I kind of like found out about the well I mean I knew they existed obviously but like just the special thing that I'm going to say about these three I found recently so there was three sermons brother Brandon preached at the Branham Tabernacle two and he's at the start of the weekend he said he's going to preach these sermons in order to just kind of give a brief overview of everything that the Tabernacle believes everything that he's preaching you know basically everything we believe in the message he's just like I'm gonna go an overview of all these doctrines that we believe three sermons he preaches if I can remember this right is uh and it's a I believe it's a Saturday night Sunday morning Sunday evening I think is what it is it is um why are we not a denomination baptism of the Holy Ghost and serpent seed so if you just look at why are we not a nomination look up the date of it and then look up just put in the first few digits of the date and then you'll see those three pop up right next to each other all right I'm looking up the uh looking it up on voice of God right now hold on so it's uh where's this like 6 was 62 I think it's 62 yeah um and the first one was why are we on denominations do you remember which uh which month I'm going to send this to you anybody that wants to send them I'll uh I'll send them to yours they shouldn't assume we find this is loading he's gonna come back here in a second um 5809 is the 58 oh it's 58 that's what it was okay yes so if it would have been what is what is 09 September yeah so September September in 1958 brother Brandon only preached three sermons in that well better on tape in that time and those are the three okay why are we not on the nomination baptismal Holy Ghost let me type these up for people here hold on yep those would be my certain recommendations because he kind of goes through just about everything that we believe in kind of a quick succession like you know it kind of summarizes them all really well everyone just take a screenshot of these 58 Dash and any books that you recommend uh Church age book s honestly the church age book will change your life it's amazing what's the best way to listen to it or to read it oh well I mean if you can read it just read it literally just read it like you would read anything else a chapter at a time a page at a time what's your favorite doctor what's your favorite part of it oh goodness I don't know necessarily about chapter or favorite part but uh one of my favorite quotes from the church age book is and this may be paraphrased and you know skipping lines here and there but generally he says um character is a victory not a gift and you have to suffer to rain because Christ was perfected through the things that he suffered and so the reason you have to suffered rain is because power apart from character is satanic and if we're all going to rule in the end we need to have character when we rule so we need to that's why we have trials now is to build our characters so that's we have character when we have power because character is a victory God just doesn't say here you go have some character character very good stuff definitely went to this again this is like because I have a feeling we just barely scratched the surface and this that was a fast uh two hours and five minutes honestly yeah yeah okay I'm gonna pray quick and then we'll uh say you do Lord thank you for this uh live thank you for all the thoughts that were shared the pillow that is best in everybody is certainly the best thing to me hope these livestock uh continue to be with um be with Zion and his family brother Trevor and everyone there in Jeffersonville Lord just continue their walks and Lord be with us as we uh within your weekend and be with the services on Sunday follow we ask all those things in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ amen good stuff man that was awesome thanks for being here wait so is there more relation to us now instead of better brand of your pastors and preachers continue to grow the message I think it's a good question for next time screenshot of it see ya okay talk to you later